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I hate myself, or at least what I think I am as of now.

Discussion in 'Gender Identity and Expression' started by MilleniumDodo, Feb 24, 2013.

  1. MilleniumDodo

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    So here's the thing: I've been questioning my sexuality for only 7 months so far and I'm 15 years old and a male. It's pretty young and you can tell me I don't have to rush finding my sexual identity but sitting at the edge of my chair waiting for some clear sign that I'm gay or straight or bi is not what I want to do for years. I know I'm not alone and many people have it worse but I can't stand this agony. I was SURE I was straight previously, no doubt about it. My relationship with girls has been either a hit or miss. Some girls got amazingly attached to me, others shot me down and god it hurt because i was so infatuated with them. I KNOW what it's like to be attracted to someone, I've liked girls since kindergarten. Many girls. But I can't seem to remember a single ounce of emotion, or what it's like to feel, because I have been emotionally vacant for some time now. I have incredible tunnel vision because that spark that went off in my heart, that uncontrollable teenage urge to touch/feel a girl, or be loved by one went away after my first time having sex with my last girlfriend. (first five times :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:) I enjoyed the sex. It took me a while to finish which raised an eyebrow because she was perfect. But the thing is, a month after we broke up/had sex a few times, that's when I begun to question because that urge went away to be so near girls just went away, a sorta, I'm done with this, attitude.

    I was not that eager to talk to girls anymore. I felt...different. But it was a month or two after my last time having sex that i began to feel this. So ever since then I've been questioning, pulling my hairs out, and squeezing out any evidence of homosexuality in my younger days. There are VERY subtle things that happen to everyone. One possibly out there thing was in 1st grade my friend asked to kiss me to see what it felt like to kiss a girl. We did it and I licked my lips after, saying his lips tasted salty. His mom walked in and I felt like I did a terrible thing for some reason. There's that, but the "normal" things I guess is that I came to tears a few times because I used to hang out with older kids in middle school, and when we split ways when i was in 8th grade and they were in 11th, it hurt so bad. They were my brothers, and the kids i looked up to. My dad left at a very young age, and the day he left and told me to take care of my mom is still very vivid in my mind. I didn't understand what was going on but I made sense of it now. They were my positive/not so positive male figures i guess. I LOVED them. We were brothers, all ready to die for each other. (we talk again now, but everyone's a little different and it's not quite the same) I also used to have very long hair in middle school (hair that you'd look back at and think "what the hell was i thinking") and i used to straighten it every other night. That is something that went on with a bunch of guys at that time though. Sorta like hairspray or greased hair.

    So my mind has been whirling, I feel like that brotherhood friendship we had was secretly me being gay with all them, and it sprouted from kissing my friend in 1st grade. Even though I've been physically and mentally attracted to girls obsessively before. (now i don't see anything special when i look at them, like "this isn't doing anything for me") I feel the same way with guys, where they don't do anything for me. But I don't even feel like I am capable of liking girls anymore. I feel like i AM capable of liking guys. The switch was so damn sudden that I have no idea what the hell is going on anymore. *possible TMI* when i masturbate, I have to think of girls if i want to get it up without touching it. Sometimes I try switching my fantasies to guys mid-masturbation but i lose focus and eventually go soft. But the thing is, there is such an absence of being "straight" that I have no idea if I am anymore. Maybe I'm bi, who knows. I reconnected with my dad two years ago, and I told him that I'm depressed. He asked why. I didn't want to tell him, "I might be gay," so I told him it had to with him just leaving, and part of that was true. I did it so i could maybe get a therapist and the idea is still up there. I love you guys here on this site, so could you please reply with some of your thoughts on what I might actually be? *sidenotes, I have always had terrible self-esteem, despite being popular, smart, and athletic. I remembered preferring girls i was with NOT knowing who i was, because I have always been a secretly depressing person. But I am wondering if i have been depressed because i haven't been happy with my sexual orientation. I've asked myself "am I gay" everyday for 7 months, finding one or two reasons that lead to yes, and a million that lead to no, but that ones leaning towards yes always seem to outweigh the ones leaning towards no.
     
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    Hi there -

    Ok, so here's my gut feeling/general take on this based on what you've written.

    I don't really get a strong sense that you're gay or bi. You mention that you enjoyed sex with girls but that just sort of stopped but that thinking/fantasizing about guys during masturbation doesn't excite you either. Taking a while to finish while having sex isn't really a good indicator of anything. Some guys just take longer than others, sometimes two people may or may not 'click' sexually (regardless of appearance), sometimes it's just that kind of night. In some circles, a guy taking a while to finish isn't considered a bug but a feature:slight_smile:

    You mention some guilt feelings from the early kissing experience but don't give the impression that the idea of liking guys particularly bothers you. So I don't get the sense that you're getting turned on by the thought of guys and then being consumed by guilt or shame or feelings that you shouldn't feel that way (if you are and I missed it, please correct me).

    What I do get a sense of is that something seems to be really bothering you emotionally. Not sure if its just the obsessing over the possibility of being gay or trying to determine your orientation one way or the other or if it might be something else you haven't mentioned yet (unless the issue with your friends/father is still hurting or bothering you?).
    But my overall sense is that whatever it is is essentially messing with your head and interfering with your sex drive. In other words you aren't feeling really attracted to anyone regardless of what their gender is). Was the breakup with your last girlfriend such that you might still be depressed by it?

    If you think the main issue really is just being bugged by not knowing 'what you are' one way or the other, the two options I can see are:

    a) Relax, let it go, and just go with the flow and enjoy life. If you're not feeling any great urge to get with a girl right now, then ok. If you are curious and want to get with a guy and the option presents, then consider exploring that option. Always play safe regardless. Ultimately, your orientation is a very small part of everything you are and there are lots of other things to do with your time. Just have fun with your life and relax.

    b) If you're really that curious about what it's like with a guy and you think that curiosity and not being sure about 'what you are' is really bothering you, then look at this more fully. A common bit of advice is to look at a bunch of people and see who you find yourself checking out. Guys or girls? You've already mentioned masturbation (and see my response above) but you could try just relaxing and fantasizing without any preconceptions about what you 'should' want to think about and see what happens. Some people also try looking at gay porn and seeing how they react and if it turns them on. That said, never forget that gay porn, just like straight porn, doesn't really depict a realistic view of what actual gay sex is like.

    If none of the guy stuff does anything for you, I'd say you aren't gay. If it kinda/sorta does you might be bi, but that's not a pure 50/50 thing and you might like girls more. If you find yourself getting into the guy stuff, then you could be gay or bi leaning toward guys.

    I think the main thing is that you don't obsess over it, that you relax, and that, if something else is bothering you that could be leading to depression or lack of interest in sex that you look into addressing that issue.

    Just my 2c worth. YMMV.

    Todd
     
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    So that's something i didn't really mention because i thought this post was lengthy enough. Something I saw through self reflection one day when i was in my freshman year of high school. The reason my father left was because my mother was having an affair. I knew this, even though they didn't know i did. In my relationships, I was always a little extra discerning and I wouldn't say that i had trust issues, but it was hard for me to fully connect with some girls. The first real girlfriend I had was in my freshman year, and I say real because it was a teenage love. At least for me. Long story short, after 4 months of everything going perfectly (She let me take her out, she wasn't awkward with my mom/dad, she wasn't "prude") out of nowhere she says that she doesn't like me. But never gave a reason. My mind went frantic and tried to see where I went wrong. (a connection I've made is that that is what I'm doing now, with the whole sexual identity crisis.) I assumed everything was wrong with me. I went into a very depressed state for a long time after. In the summer is when i met the girl that i lost my virginity to. She was new to my school and my friends wanted me to cheer up and get a so called rebound girl. She was that, but a lot more. We broke up because she was flirting with a ton of older guys and lying about it and then as soon as we ended it she hooked up with one. Then after that, I found that the FIRST girl actually dumped me because she had a long time crush on my best friend. I've been trying to tap into my sub-conscience and see if maybe they contribute to this whole dilemma but I havent found an answer.
     
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    Hmm. Ok - this is just a theory at this point. I am NOT a professional by any means (and we've certainly not talked for any great length of time) and again this is just my gut reaction. Others may join in the discussion later and have very different (and better) ideas. That said:

    It sounds to me like you've been hurt several times in your life and, unfortunately, the source of those hurts have often been women.

    Based on this, your lack of feeling toward women after your last break up, even your sense of being 'over it' could be just that. At some level you may be feeling 'over it' where women are concerned because you feel like you keep getting hurt by them. This may combine with your earlier good feelings of brotherhood with your male friends to lead you to wondering if you might want try being with a guy as an alternative that may not end up hurting you.

    Anyway, it's a theory.

    I can tell you (speaking from personal experience) that childhood traumatic events and a major emotional loss like a breakup can have impacts in ways we might not expect.

    My parents had a very rough marriage, including affairs (both of them and apparently more or less around the same time) with different people when I was in junior high or maybe freshmen year in HS. They got back together (sort of) but later separated permanently for even messier reasons. From a young age I had no interest in marriage but when I started going out with guys, I pretty much always practiced 'serial monogamy', really wanting to have a relationship with someone, sometimes in circumstances where I really should have (and easily could have) just had some fun and moved on.

    On a different note, at one point, I was in a 3yr relationship with someone that ended rather badly. For several months thereafter, I basically stopped being ticklish or really feeling much of anything. Understand I am normally someone who is almost completely incapacitated by tickling. But a friend was joking around with me and started tickling me and I just sat there and looked at him. I felt *nothing*. Eventually this stopped and I went back to normal.

    Anyway, the point of all this is that pain and loss can both drive our actions and feelings later in life and also have direct physiological effects on us. It could be that something like this is happening in your case.

    Just a thought,

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    This is something I definitely did and I think still do. One thing that was most different about me from other guys at the time was that in junior high, I always told my buddies to replace we on a double date. My group of friends were/are the "studs" of our grade. I know that they like to hook up and just leave the girl right after. In junior high, I knew that I only wanted a relationship. My older brother and sister graduated HS by this time, so I knew what a serious, loving relationship was. That is what I used to want, not some hook up. But after I was sure I had that with the first girl in freshman year and she broke my heart, I remember a switch in my intentions. It is part of that youth, "fuck it" complex haha. But I didn't want a relationship anymore. Just hook-ups. I remember being mad at myself because I had the opportunity to lose my virginity with the first girl, but never acted on it because i was afraid of how it might change things. With the second girl, there was less talking and connecting and more sexual things, including sex itself. With your theory on how I am, "over" girls (at least for right now, only maybe..hopefully), I have thought of that too, but didnt think that was possible. I guess if i had to sum it up: my mental attraction was damage with girls in my first relationship and my physical attraction was damaged in the second. The REAL thing I've been struggling with is if this is me just giving up for a little while, like you said, or the very sudden and rather ABRUPT realization that i don't like women at all. Time is really the only thing that will tell huh? and experimenting is something that I would try (last resort, since it scares me) but if I'm not into it, don't want to hurt the dude's feelings.
     
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    Sorry for the delay in responding to this. Lots going on of late.

    My suggestion would be that you do the following:

    a) Stop worrying about whether you are gay or straight or bi or whatever. Go with whatever you find physically and emotionally satisfying, whether when masturbating or checking out whomever on the street or whatever. That seems to be women based on what you've written, and that's fine:slight_smile: Even if that were to change at some point in the future, it's still fine (which you seem to get, from what you've written so far). But worrying and stressing about it isn't doing yourself any favors any more than forcing yourself to eat a food you don't like on the theory that someday your tastes might change. You probably wouldn't do the food thing, so don't do the orientation thing either.

    b) Relax and don't worry about whether or not you are itching to get with a girl just now. Just go with the flow and work on enjoying the other aspects of life for now. If and when you do start having an urge to date again, go with it, but also do it with your eyes open and try to find someone who has the sort of character that you think you would want to have a relationship with and who will treat you well in the relationship also.

    Understand that it is not uncommon for relationships to come and go over the course of one's life (whether one is 16 or 26 or 56). That's just part of the nature of things. It can suck, but there it is. The flip side is that it's also possible to find someone wonderful who you end up loving and with for the rest of your life. Regardless the issue is one of the individuals involved, not of women in general or men in general.

    Hope this helps,

    Todd:slight_smile:
     
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    Hi there,

    I am going through a very similar experience right now, and it's definitely not fun. I'm getting the sense that you're confused as to why you suddenly felt like you could be gay when you've liked girls your whole life. My question is have you involved yourself in the LGBT community more in the past 7 months than you would have before that? I know for myself, I started taking an LGBT studies course in high school about 4 weeks ago and have just fallen into questioning about a week ago.

    If not, your questioning could just be an answer you are giving yourself to relieve the pain/confusion you've experienced with girls which resulted in this 'dead' time so to speak; not being attracted to anybody. I feel the same way since I started questioning, which is awful because in trying to figure out who you're attracted to you need to start by being attracted to somebody, right? Here's the thing: Before you started questioning, did you just go around checking every girl out, getting deeply infatuated with a girl at first glance? My guess is no, so don't be weirded out that all your attempts to find somebody attractive have gone unsuccessfully.

    Like AKTodd said, the best thing you can do is relax. There is no rush, and any answer you eventually come to will be okay. If you're like me, sometimes things become too overwhelming. What I do is designate 15-20 minutes a couple times a day (or more if you feel you need it) to let these doubts absolutely swamp you, and let it all out. Cry your heart out, do anything you feel you need to do. It helps you feel better for the rest of the day.

    Above everything else, just remember that eventually, it will all be okay :slight_smile:

    Hope I've helped!
     
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    I will say something, it's not too young tbh. My ex was 5 when he knew. It happens differently for everyone.
     
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    Hey there! I'd be more than happy to see if we can figure each other out if that's something you want to do. I've laid out my deepest darkest secret here, right now, on this forum but don't think I expect you to do the same. So I quoted this part because my questioning is more a part of my 'dead' time rather than the answer. I sought out the LGBT community to see if they could help with my questioning. So my experiences with girls: I remember being little and really wanting to be around this girl in kindergarten named Amanda. I drew her pictures, shared snacks, typical grade school stuff. Then, in 1st and 2nd grade I did the same with another girl named Natalie. She had a best friend that i ended up liking till 5th grade. Then in middle school is when i really became obsessed with girls, like writing notes, fantasizing, everything. I wasn't a loser, but i didnt know how to make them mine. So i got my first kiss eighth grade, which is very, very late over here. (actually in kindergarten but it doesn't count haha) so there were little queer tendencies here and there like "not liking hook-ups." But i did like girls.

    So as of late, i kind of made a plan, something i havent really followed through with yet. I've decided to live as if i was gay. Not looking at girls, trying to check out guys and really just let my mind try and find something, look at gay porn, all this and that. I've decided that i need to let my mind free and see how i react. I don't know how long this "experiment" will take, but say if i DO find something i like, then maybe im gay/bi. Keep in mind man, i wasn't that kid who was picked on for being queer or anything like that, i was pretty much a stereotypical guy who plays football and runs track. But the thing is, something that gives me comfort, is that if i do come to the end of this question AND im gay, it doesn't mean i have to stop listening to rap, stop doing sports, or adapt a little cute lisp. The thing with me was that this whole thing stressed me out like crazy, and it was only the last two days that i came up with the experiment idea and the realization that i can stay who i am and possibly be gay.

    If i am, i don't know how I'll feel. As of now, the chances are looking low, but like i said, right now im allowing myself to just do whatever. Like AKTodd said to do in a way. whatever i find attractive is what i find attractive.

    So you dont have to, but something that sorta let my anxiety go for the last 2-3 days is just telling yourself, "if i end up gay, then i am." easier said than done, but just remember who YOU are. I can't really see myself being feminine or that image that society puts in our head when we think of gays. Tell me what you think and if you're open to this experiment, -Mike