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Dealing with depression and university

Discussion in 'General Support and Advice' started by Oddish, Sep 7, 2014.

  1. Oddish

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    I'm a student, finishing up my first year in university, which has been terrible for the most part.

    I've been depressed enough where I've had no will nor motivation to bother going to class or do homework. I just laid in bed all day feeling like I had no energy or the will to keep going anymore. In the past, my grades have suffered, and while I've managed to recover, I'm falling between the cracks once again and now I'm falling back into the same cycle. I inevitably end up back here, regardless of how much therapy I have, how many medications I attempt, how much I change my diet or exercise patterns.

    I continue to skip class, stay in the dorm room and play JRPGs, lie in bed and/or sleep for hours. I don't want to do anything. I don't even know why I bother attending therapy sessions, since my therapist hasn't really helped me but I'm so tired of going through the same fucking cycle of having to reestablish myself with someone else and have that fail, once again. I don't really have any friends, either, with the exception of my girlfriend, but she's been far too busy with finishing up her undergrad honours thesis among her other classes so I hardly talk or get to spend time with her, and in turn I feel so alone. I shouldn't be so dependent, but I don't have anyone else to turn to.

    I don't know really what to do, since I'm running out of options and nothing is helping me. I've tried composing schedules to follow by, and have attempted to take things one step at a time, but I'm still behind in my class work and my GPA continues to decrease on a weekly basis. I can't salvage my grades. I don't know what to do. I'm lonely, uninspired, frustrated, so on and so forth. I just wish I could die so I wouldn't have to deal with anything anymore.
     
  2. Oddish

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    Nobody has anything to offer? Suppose I shouldn't have given my hopes up, considering this is how things go for me with everything else, too.

    :slight_smile:
     
  3. soulodolo

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    I know how you feel. nothing is worse than being depressed and having school on your mind 24/7. it's easier said than done but trust me once it's over there is no better feeling. I just graduated a few months ago and it feels like a huge weight has lifted from my shoulders. but now another weight is sitting there (pressure to find a full time job). the truth is, it's going to be hard but try your best to finish. even if it takes a few tries. I failed a semester but went back the next year and finished. you will 100% regret it. try talking to your student liason, or even your teachers. tell them you are going through some shit and that you are trying your hardest to get back on track. they may cut you some slack. I didn't do any work for one class and at the end of the semester I wrote a long email to my teacher saying how I really fucked up and had been going through some difficult times. he let me hand in all the work I missed and he passed me with a 50. some people have a heart lol. good luck my friend. don't ever give up
     
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    First - Dude. I'm going to hug you, because you deserve a hug, you need one and I'm giving it. *hugs you*
    Second - a lot of people can give you advice here, it's just that everyone has something to do. I, personally, don't just hang out in one section of the forum and wait for someone to make a thread so I can reply immediately, and I'm pretty sure it's the same with everyone else. Sometimes people make threads and post pretty frequently, and other threads get buried under them. Just because no one has seen your thread doesn't mean no one cares, alright? I understand you're depressed and it's easier to think that way, but hey. I'm replying right now - that means I care. Don't let the dark thoughts change what I say, and I'll repeat it again: I care.

    Third, and main:

    Depression can be a bitch. That's one thing we can all say for sure. It's not easy to handle at all, and sometimes, just like you said, nothing really helps anymore and all you want to do is just give up on life and end the struggle.
    I've been depressed. Yeah, I know - a little girl with a pink cat-in-a-cupcake avatar and a naive personality. I was depressed for years. Maybe five, maybe more. I know, I'm almost eighteen, yet I've spend half of my life being depressed, so I know what you're going through. I know how you struggle to think positive, but your mind just attracts negative and painful thoughts and memories. You can just sit on your bed, doing nothing, and the bad thoughts will come. You can celebrate a birthday, and the thoughts come. You can eat the tastiest meal ever, and then the thoughts come and you can't swallow the food from pain. And sometimes, the only thing that brings you happiness and hope is the fantasy of yourself dying, and the thought of all the people who neglected you crying over your body and regretting their attitude towards you. At least, that's how I felt.
    Now, I'm no expert, but since I somehow managed to survive the depression (it was a tough battle and I got myself a few permanent mental scars because of its length), I think I can at least give you some advice on how to keep going, despite the lack of power or desire. I don't know if it'll help you win against depression, but I do know that it'll help you cope with it long enough to find a way to win. Deal? Deal.

    1) You like playing JRPGs. Good! Keep doing it. It may look like you're deteriorating because of it, but it's actually giving you a purpose to wake up the next day. You may still feel depressed as fuck, but at least you'll have something to look forward to. Depression makes you feel like nothing matters, and if games are helping you to keep going, then you keep playing those games. You can even find a friend, if it's an online RPG game.

    2) Your future looks gray, dull and foggy. You don't know what to do, you don't have any motivation for it, your girlfriend is too busy for you and that's making you even more uneasy, I know. But you know what? As hard and tedious life seems to be right now, it's interesting. Yeah, you read right. It's unpredictable. It's weird. It's scary. And that's making it interesting. You can win something, you can go on a walk or something and accidentally bump into your future best friend, you can wake up one day and realize you're in a totally different world, and no, you won't be on LSD's. Like, seriously - life is fucking unpredictable, and what helped me live is the thought of something like this happening - something amazing, awesome ... Yeah, sure, I suffered from a lot of bullshit and I got ignored just like you, but once in a while, something magnificent happens and it's just worth living to see it. Don't be the guy who went this far only to give up. Be the guy who keeps on going. You'll reach your goal before you know it.

    3) Let it go. No, that's not a quote from 'Frozen', I'm serious. You're going to a therapist - great, now try to let it all out. Your shame or frustration or just the lack of motivation - try to let those emotions go and just say whatever you want to say to your therapist. I once told my psychiatrist a masturbation joke. Yeah, she was a little surprised, so to speak, but I felt better. I was like 'You know what? A stupid girl I know is complaining all the time her hand hurts, and I told her it's because she rubs her cunt too much. And I liked it, damn it. I'm proud of myself'. So what if I'm a little sadistic, it's my true self and I have every right to be myself. So, no matter who you are, don't hide it. At least not to your therapist. Just show that person all you've got, if you haven't already, and you'll see that it might just make you feel better. If you keep hiding your your true personality, no one will know the real you and you'll feel ignored unloved and lonely. So just let those emotions out - cry, laugh, fart if you want - just be yourself, at least in front of your therapist. Then show that to a friend. Then another one. Depression makes us too damn insecure to be ourselves, and all of those words and emotions we want to say, yet we don't, are getting bottled up in our hearts and when it explodes, the mental scars will be too many to count. Don't make the same mistake as me. Don't keep yourself locked inside because that bully - Depression - forces you. Just do it.

    And now I'm going to end that ridiculously long message with another virtual hug and wish you the very best, as cliche as that may sound. Good luck. It's going to be a tough battle and it's going to be a lonely, long journey, but you have to win. And when you do, it'll be the best fucking feeling ever. Don't you want to live long enough to experience that feeling of defeating depression? It's pretty sweet, man. I'm just saying.
     
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  5. Anonymous777

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    I absolutely understand you, Oddish (Hey that's a Pokemon :grin: ). I've gone through a severe depression and I know how you feel. I had to stop studying for a while and I've taken some time off.

    I was studying a degree in Economics and I got good marks in the first semester of the first year. But then I had to deal with some personal problems and I had a really bad time. I used to cry everyday at first. I started to skip classes and finally I got back to my hometown without finishing the second semester.

    Then, I went to several therapists and psychiatrists, but I just couldn't feel better. I started to stay in my bedroom. I lost my interest in everything and I felt so alone too.

    I even thought about very very bad things (do you know what I mean?).

    Fortunately, at some point I realized that I was going nowhere and I couldn't keep on doing nothing. I started to look for things that motivated me and to spend more time with my friends. I discovered new hobbies and "talents". And nowadays I'm doing a lot of things and I feel great.

    I've learned to look the world in a very different way.

    If I was able to do that, I'm sure you will be able to recover too.

    You can talk to me whenever you want and I offer you my friendship and my support.

    I'm going to add you to my friends so that we can talk to each other.

    I send you a HUGE hug. :slight_smile:
     
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    Sometimes meds are not the answer, or they need adjusting or changing to get something that works better with you. So have you tried varying the prescriptions or the dose to try another combination?

    Sometimes therapy is not the answer, if you have the wrong therapist. Or trying a type of therapy not best suited for you.

    Sometimes therapy is not the answer if you are not putting yourself in to it. Or holding back. Or not following advice/ suggestions structured for you in the sessions.

    Sometimes regardless of therapies and drugs you just need to start fighting back without any guarantees or promises from doctors or therapists. Like listing out what is not working in your life and taking steady steps to change them around one at a time.

    Can you strike out and start doing something a few times a week that is new that is different and just for you? Preferably with others in a group that gets you out of your bedroom. Like a sport, or hiking or a group hobby?
     
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    Think the responses here have already touched upon anything I could add myself. Going off 'cuppycake's suggestions would say to try focusing more on things you enjoy whether it's the games, reading, music, etc. though not to the total neglect of university-stuff.

    And maybe consider whether the relationship between you and your therapist is really getting to the heart of things, or the possibility that while you may get on well that they're not the right 'fit' for you. Imagine it's harder to tell if our therapist is suitable if there isn't an obvious 'dissonance' in the therapeutic relationship, if you get what I mean. In any case, at least try not to hold back as much as possible with them. Can appreciate there are certain subjects we may refrain from being frank about, but that doesn't mean you can't still discuss others or go into how you're feeling and what you'd like to change at the moment.

    As far as not having gotten responses right away, 'cuppycake' also hits it on the head that the forum is quite active and there's a lot of turnover in threads. There've been times when I posted one and it didn't get responses for a few days after getting pushed back to the second or third page. Especially now that there are more subforums, so each person's focus is going to be more spread out. On top of that, could be a timezone issue 'cause for me this was posted in the middle of the night and perhaps a lot of the more frequent readers/commenters were offline at the time you originally posted? In any case, don't be disheartened by lack of immediate response. 'Cause afterall, we are replying now. (*hug*)
     
  8. Oddish

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    You're pretty damn inspirational, you know that? I can't thank you enough for taking the time to write out all that you have. It's true I haven't been nearly as open with my therapist as I would like to be, or have been, but I would like to think that I could make progress in that regard in some time. I just don't think the connection is too good right now, but I don't want to be assigned another therapist because this isn't my first rodeo and I hate the process that comes with establishing myself with another person. Finding the right shade of blue shoes, so to speak.. it takes a lot of time, effort, and things that I just don't have the tenacity for.

    Honestly, the whole 'unpredictability' thing about life has been my number one motivation to keep living. Strangely, a lot of my friends don't think that way, I don't know why, but I think it's pretty neat. Who knows what will happen. But, the thing is, depression makes me want to wither away instead because things that might come might not be too good. And, I guess, I have a pretty negative outlook on how things might go. I just don't see the point a lot of the time as unpredictable as life can be, and is. But, who knows, maybe those small things are the most important of all. Just.. blah. Everything feels so drained out, like I'm living in a colourless world.

    I don't know how to not hold back. I always, inevitably, do. There are just things that I don't want to discuss, and yes that might be hurting me, but letting them go wouldn't do me any good, I don't think. Drugs are just awful for me but without them I don't know, I'd probably be long gone by this point.

    Funny enough, I've been participating in groups and socialising more than I ever have now, than I have in my entire life, and yet this is the worst I feel. Ironic, eh? I attend about three different groups a week, usually only stay in my dorm for the night or sometimes in the afternoon, and maybe at times when I want to skip class or just can't get out of bed. So, it's not like I'm completely isolating myself. When I say I've tried everything, I literally mean.. everything. Therapy, medication, getting out more, socialising, so on and so forth. And nothing has worked for me. From an outsider's perspective, I must have a brilliant life. I go to a highly acclaimed university, I have a beautiful girlfriend and a beautiful relationship with her, I have all of the necessities I need to have a prosperous life, I have some connections and good friends, but.. I'm entirely swamped my depression. It makes everything horrible for me. As good as I have it, I still wish I could just keel over and die.
     
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    If I may interject, again... do you still feel that the therapist you're currently working with is a good fit but that work needs to be done on the connection with them? 'Cause I understand the thought of not wanting to switch, especially after you've been working with a given one for some time. Though in some cases one really has to consider if they're the right 'shade,' as you mentioned, or not. Not to say this current one isn't, but it's worth keeping in mind.

    Going off that whole unpredictability thing, is it possible that things have been feeling too habitual for you during your time at university and that's contributing to the depression, disengagement, etc. you're facing?

    Why don't you think that not holding back wouldn't be good? There should be ways to discuss concerns that are deeply important to you in a constructive manner. Maybe it'd be worth talking about this in itself with your therapist, how to discuss things in therapy so you can actually feel progress.

    As far as socializing, might consider reflecting on some things like:

    What social events/forms of socializing to I enjoy most?

    When I've enjoyed interacting with others, what was going on or what made them pleasurable?

    Who do I want to develop a connection with and why? Along with: Who do I feel close to and why?

    I believe rather than assuming negative feelings and continuing to feed into them, it could be worthwhile to focus on what it is you're looking for or want to feel, when you've felt it, what made those situations unique or different, etc. Hopefully that's of some help. :slight_smile:
     
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    I have a teddy bear that i sleep with and i cant sleep without it, i bring it with me to classes and the teachers dont care, they know its a comfort thing for me, i made arrangements so i could have it, trust me its embarrassing as hell but it does help. I wish you the best of luck.

    hugs and kisses
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    ^that's so cute, maybe I should start doing that too.

    OP, I also feel depressed, I haven't been to my therapist and I'm dreading it.
     
  12. Oddish

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    When you put it that way, I do like my therapist, but again, something tells me that she's the wrong shade of blue. Close, but not exact, if that makes sense. There seems to be a bit of a dissonance in our relationship, although I was impressed with her take on suggestions during my last session, and I'm still hesitant enough to switch over and begin treatment with a new therapist. So, I'll stick with her for now, and hopefully the relationship will improve. I understand that it's partially my fault, but I don't know how to be completely open. Which is something else for me to work on. : /

    Hmm, it might be. I'm so used to routine - I go to class, sometimes attend group, and then come back to the dorm although I do try to change it up every once in a while, maybe going to dinner on campus or taking a walk but it gets boring/tedious after a while. I don't know how to change it up more, to be honest.

    'Why don't you think that not holding back wouldn't be good'? The triple negative here confused me, but I think I know what you mean. I guess by being open, it's the vulnerability that gets to me every single time. And, I find it pointless to discuss concerns that.. nobody really have an answer to.

    I almost think I have some anhedonia in that regard. I feel disinterested in a lot of things that people normally enjoy, such as going out to dinner, socialising, exercising, drawing, etc. I still do these things a lot of the time, but it feels forced, and I don't really get any pleasure out of it. I would love for life to make me happy but it doesn't. I feel like I'm never ..truly happy. I'm "fake happy" a lot of the time. I'm never satisfied with myself either or with anything that I do. I hate feeling like this because I think it makes my girlfriend, my friends think I'm bored with them. Which isn't true, of course. I just feel miserable and have a lack of interest in doing much of anything. So, socialising never really does anything for me. I don't know if it's because of my problems, or if if I didn't have these problems, if I'd still find it pleasurable.

    I connect with people who tend to have other problems, because we seem to relate better in ways. People who are also socially anxious, ones who might deal with heavier depression, etc. Not in the 'misery loves company' sense, but in an empathetic, 'I know what you're going through and here's my experience,' sort of way. And not just that - I want to have intellectual discussions with people whom I share the same interests with, but I can never seem to find them. I'm frustrated with the social media mentality, people who only enjoy radio top hits, people who don't really read besides the occasional class assignment. I know that makes me sound like some posh, arrogant bastard, but I want someone to talk with who's passionate about something other than FB or Florence and The Machine. I want someone I can relate with, even just in terms of music, for an example. I can't seem to find these people.

    And that's a good point.. I haven't had any of those moments lately, but maybe they may happen. Who knows. I tend to feed into the negative because nothing positive has really happened, except for maybe the small, kind acts that others do for myself and others. But.. I want to feel whole. I want to feel genuinely happy. I don't know how, is my problem.
     
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    Right, I get what you're saying. In these instances it's difficult to know whether it's better to switch or whether things need to 'settle in' more, so to speak. From what you've just said, it sounds that the relationship just requires some working out. If it's not too personal, what sort of things did she suggest which impressed you? Well I'd think complete openness is probably rare, for almost anyone, and regardless it's not something that'll happen during one or two sessions. It requires small steps to build trust with others.

    Tedious because, even if they aren't daily, these other things become 'routine' in their own sense? For other things to do, what about getting back into things which have interested you aside from taking walks or going out to dinner. Whether art, playing music, writing, reading, etc. Not necessarily things to do daily, but every so often that it gives variety to what you're doing and by doing them infrequently you might be able to 'savor' the pleasure they give more [tying into the concerns you give later on.]

    Had a feeling I worded that awkwardly, but then you know my writing style by now. :lol: Is it just the sense that "nobody . . . [has] an answer to" your concerns, and/or are there deeper anxieties about being vulnerable with others? Even if it's with your therapist.

    Personally, I'd be wary of characterizing it as anything in particular just now. Though I understand that you've had difficulty appreciating those sort of things and what it feels like, myself, to an extent. However, having known you for some time, think it's fair to say that you have felt pleasure, engaged, etc. with those same activities from time-to-time. The issue being that it doesn't seem to last, for whatever reasons. In short, I don't believe you're incapable of pleasure, though there've been plenty of times where you've had to 'fake it,' but this could be something to discuss in therapy.

    I completely get that, often I've wondered if I only seem to connect well with those who have similar concerns, other depressed or socially anxious individuals, etc. for that empathy piece you mention. Yet at the same time can't say I'd click with anyone like that, 'cause there are more extraverted, well-centered people I enjoy being with as there are the aforementioned who don't 'strike the right chord' with me. If that makes sense.

    As far as never being able to find others you can have meaningful conversations with, can you honestly say that there has been no one? Referring to offline, that is. From what I've heard before there have been individuals, but maybe you either distance yourself for fear of vulnerability and/or they pick up on the "fake happy" or thinking you're "bored with them" leading to them not wanting to impose on your company. Wanting to have fulfilling conversations doesn't make you a "posh, arrogant bastard," but would say to be careful of setting such high expectations 'cause when you have friends that click the range of discussion can be quite wide [as both of us should know.] :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

    Even if you haven't had them lately, I trust that you have had such moments in the past and can remember them. Could it be that you undervalue positive moments, acts, memories, etc. and cast them aside? I know, as do I and many other people. At this point I think it's more a matter of how to become happy, rather than simply expect to 'be' so. If the difference is understandable.
     
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  16. Oddish

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    It's something to take comfort in, at the very least.

    I try not to become too discouraged when I happen to notice, or pass by people on campus who seem well-adjusted, might be walking with and chatting among friends, or people who seem busy and on top of things. In reality, they could be struggling just as much, but they can cope with it better, or they're really good with putting on a different face when in the presence of others.

    Depression can affect anyone, especially in the university setting.
     
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    Exactly. Which is why it's important for us to remember that being depressed, sad, angry, frustrated or whatever is nothing to be ashamed or blame ourselves about but a valid reaction to things going on outside of and within us. That we shouldn't let it cloud our ability to work on things and become overwhelmed with the feeling no one can relate or our concerns are insolvable. (*hug*)
     
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    The only reason I don't lose it is my teddy bear. If not I would cry my eyes out. (*hug*)
     
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    Hey man you should see a therapist! My therapist is a guy and he's awesome!