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My depression is out of control. And it's really bad now.

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  1. Aptiva

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    (This is a venting post, so please, be ware! You are by no means obligated to read the whole post. And please forgive me for posting a 3rd thread like this.)

    Well, you read the title. I see so many straight guys (Who are mostly hot, cute or attractive in some way for the record) with girls and I know down in my heart that I'll never be truly accepted and probably will never feel loved romantically.

    I hate being gay now. And I hate myself for it, even if it isn't chosen by me.

    I see all these really cute gay couples on the Internet all the time and I know that I'll never be like them due to my nature which is too detailed to explain in this thread. I'll never find anyone to love.

    I get jealous of all the guys. For numerous reasons, which I'll outline here.

    1. They're straight. There isn't really much need to explain into further detail, but mainly because I can't have them and to be honest it hurts like a bitch and they have it so easy.
    2. Penis size. Yeah, you heard right. Don't go complaining about it. All the guys I like fall into these details: Straight, good looking, tall and have large feet. Why do I mention large feet? Being tall and having large feet go hand in hand with having a large penis. I'm not tall and don't have the biggest feet so this causes problems.
    3. They can be so nice to me (When they think I'm straight too) and it gets my hopes up only for those hopes to be dropped.

    I do meet some really awesome gay guys too, but they're all over the Internet and I can't have them as a result. The closest gay guy I've met lives 7 or 8 hours away from me. My parents aren't going to drive me any time soon.

    Now, you might think this will go away for me. Trust me, it won't. Since my mother has clinically diagnosed depression and since it's genetic and since I take after my mother in every aspect and detail, I've probably got it too. It hasn't been diagnosed and I'm too scared to talk to my mom about it.

    I can't think of coming out at school or talking to a Councillor. I can't think of finding any love at all at school. Simple reason: I go to a Catholic school. I have so many reasons to prove them wrong, but I don't even want to bother, because, they'll still somehow make me out to be the bad guy.

    You might say "It gets better" which may be true in every sense of the statement, but right now, it's getting worse. It's getting worse and worse and worse. I'm emotionally spiraling downhill and I can't help it, as dumb as it may sound. I'm more depressed now than I was last week. And last week was the first time I've cried in months. Maybe even in a couple of years. I'm so lonely and depressed it's not even funny, it's caused me to consider suicide. The more I think about getting help, the worse I feel. The more horror stories of homophobic actions and crimes I hear and read about the worse I feel.

    Today I cut myself. And guess what? I feel like I deserved it, because to be honest, I view myself as the devil and an imperfection because I was born gay and no one likes gay guys. I feel by ridding the world of myself, I'm doing the whole world a favour. One less gay guy on the planet. Who cares? Maybe my mom. Maybe my dad. Definitely none of my friends or my brother once they find out that I was gay (If I ever do go through with it). My sister, I don't know what she's doing. I haven't heard from her for such a long time.

    I found out today that the guy I crushed on for so long is straight. He was perfect - He gave me a false sense of hope last semester. He's tall, nice, very handsome, highly intelligent (When compared to myself) and probably very sizable "down there". Don't worry, that's not all I think about. He's also a football player, and as I found out at the pep rally last Wednesday, he's very muscular, even if he looks somewhat slender. But he's straight and is the reason I cut the undersides of my forearms to day and let them bleed in the tub. Don't worry, the bleeding only lasted around 5 minutes and my new wound isn't deep. I should be punished dearly (And I don't mean that sexually either) for letting myself fall for the most beautiful straight male ever, even if he doesn't know. I'd let him know so that he could rid of my worthless body himself, but I'd rather die at my own hand than that of another insignificant human being.
     
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    First things first. Go see that counselor you refuse to see. Not about being gay or not finding love but because you're apparently depressed, and nobody fucking deserves that shit. Not even you. :slight_smile:

    Next up. Yes, there are thousands of gorgeous, well-hung, nice guys who are straight that you will never get a chance to cuddle and date and suck off. Just as there are thousands of lotteries you won't win, and thousands of movies you won't star in. There are a select few people who win lotteries or star in movies or bang supermodels. But see, this isn't what makes life worth living. The rest of us mortals - the ones with losing lottery tickets (or none at all), without an IMDB page, and with no notches on the hottie headboard - we're not just treading water hoping against hope that one of these things changes, suddenly making our lives worth living. We're busy living. We have jobs we like, and friends we enjoy being with, and partners we care about, and hobbies we enjoy pursuing.

    My general comment is that we're pretty good at assessing ourselves, but we suck at assessing others. We're aware of our good and bad traits, but we tend to think the rest of the world is zooming by with all their ducks in a row, and all their shit together. No. We're ALL fumbling around trying to make sense of things. Straight guys think gay guys have it easy, because they don't have to figure out women. Hot guys wonder if the only reason anyone likes them is because they're hot. Jocks wish they were smarter, nerds wish they were hotter, and on and on and on. We're all dealing with our own stuff. And life can still be damned fun to live even as we do so.

    "It gets better" isn't a panacea we toss out. It's pretty much accurate. Right now, you're in school. Your social pool is pretty well delineated by "my fellow students". And if you're in Catholic school, gay dating isn't much of an option. But in a couple years, that's over. You're now in charge of creating your own social circle. And if you want to go surround yourself with other gay guys, you can.

    One more note, about guys' feet and their cocks. My first boyfriend and I could wear each other's shoes, but I had at least two inches on him in bed. In other words, that theory is bogus. :slight_smile:

    I could deconstruct your post some more, and give more explanations of where you're wrong, and how life can totally kick ass. But if you're truly depressed and cutting and suicidal, it won't really accomplish much. You may kind of see where I'm coming from, but you won't FEEL it. You won't believe it, really, no matter how true it is. And that's why I'm reiterating what I said at the outset. You're gonna need help here, and a counselor is a great first step. And you might be scared to tell your mother, but the one thing she fears more than you being depressed is probably you being depressed and you not getting any help for it. Go.

    Lex
     
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    Do you have body image issues? You seem to have a certain degree of fixation on the size of penises, the source of which may or may not lie in the image projected by (gorgeous) men found in porn videos. The thing to remember though is that, just because it's big doesn't necessarily mean it's better. It could be fairly painful or cause tearing for the penatretee for example. Those porn stars end up with a pretty loose anus at the end of the day.

    There are also no reason to view yourself as the "devil" or an "imperfection" for being gay. Rather, there's nothing wrong with being gay, and there's plenty of people who likes gay guys, otherwise how the hell would we be gaining victories after victories in many countries to gain our equal (marriage) rights?. I assume you are either religious or have some sort of religious background? Drop the thought that homosexuality is a sin, it's bollocks.

    You do seem like you need professional help though, to get you back on the right track. I'd suggest looking into LGBT-friendly therapist (psychologist or psychiatrist) in your area, so that you can be more "open" about the whole story and not deal with quack therapists. However, you might need to find some way to deal with your parents on how to deal with getting a therapist. Given that your profile location states "Calgary, Alberta", I went ahead and did a quick Google search for some "Gay Clients Therapist" in Calgary and came up with this list :

    Calgary Gay Issues Therapist - Gay Issues Therapist Calgary, Alberta (AB) - Gay Issues Counseling Calgary

    If you need help to get back on track, then you'll need to make the first step. At least look some of these professionals up, find their locations to see if it's accessible to you, etc. Hang in there, and remember that you've done nothing worth being punished for (let alone physically punished).
     
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    Wow it sounds like you are experiencing a lot right now.

    Much of this guilt may be from going to a Catholic school where you can't get together with any GSA groups. I would recommend reaching out to friends, family, a counselor, anyone who will hear you. Do you have a school counselor to talk to?

    Getting over an unattainable crush is incredibly soul sucking. Allow yourself to feel depressed and angry and numb as those are perfectly normal to feel right now. You need someone to talk to right now and God will place someone in your life who will listen if you take the time to find them.

    You are NOT the devil honey and you just vent as much as you want. (*hug*) God doesn't make mistakes and it may take you tons of crying and heartache and you may have to dig through blood sweat and tears but God has made you strong and this too shall pass. Things will get better but you need some others who will listen. God didn't put billions of people on this planet so we could all ignore each other, no man is an island and we all need help sometimes. PM or message me anytime dear. :kiss:
     
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    Thanks for your post, it did help me feel a little more uplifted, but not by much. I'll look into some of your tips.

    By penis size I wasn't worried about getting a boyfriend who was gifted in that department. What I really meant by penis size in my first post was that straight guys who are well hung cause huge jealousy for me. To be honest I don't care about the size of my boyfriend's penis. As Hefiel kinda guessed I do have body image issues. Really bad ones too. I might not be bad at all - I just perceive myself to be unattractive and not hot enough for anyone to bed me. That's why I keep my sexual drive low and stick to porn.

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    Thanks for the response.

    Yes, I do have body image issues. Serious ones at that. You can blame that on the media. This is why I'm not worried about sex. Because I'll do all I can to avoid it once (Or even if) I get into a relationship. I don't want him to go "eew you're gross!" or something like that.

    Yes, I do come from a religious background, but thanks to my mom, I don't believe homosexuality is actually condemned by the Bible. I've looked into that one quote enough to have an idea of why I don't believe it. My sister (Who is 27 and living on her own) is also a lesbian, oddly enough. You'd think that Italian parents (Italians are known for being highly religious) would condemn her but mine don't. She just doesn't stay in contact with us because she thinks that we hate her. So talking to her is out of the question.

    As to your link, I might check it out. I'll probably save up some money and tell my parents I'm going to take out some friends to TD Square because I still don't want them to know that I'm gay. I'd do anything to avoid them finding out, to be honest.

    I still feel like I hit a brick wall, I feel no relief from last night. I cried yet again and still, that offered no relief to this awful depression.

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    I guess maybe I should believe this. I know I'm not the devil but I can't help but feel like it. I tried to stop feeling like that but I can't.

    I know God doesn't make any mistakes and I know I was born gay but as much as I tell narrow-minded homophobic morons that and even show proof they still refuse to believe it which pisses me off, because I'm still somehow "wrong" even if the way I interpret certain things in the Bible seems pretty accurate.

    I still can't help but feel like it's my fault for all my problems.
     
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    I've had body images issues, they're not actually that uncommon amongst gay males because of the psychology behind it. Humans are very visual creatures. For heterosexual males, the 'burden' of an ideal partner is on the females, so guys will look at the breasts, the ass, the curves, etc. None of these things actually require the male to make any changes to his physiology. You'll never see a straight guy with breasts implants because he likes breasts (in theory at least).

    For homosexual males however, we look at other males and society dictates that the perfect male is shaped like Adonis and is the perfect example of a healthy, good-looking man, partly influenced as a response to appearance of the "gay virus" (HIV) back 1980s. Because our "ideal partner" is a male, we try to reach that ideal look as well to be on the same "level" in a sense. That's one of the main reason why so many gays routinely visit the Gyms, and as a result they are always in "competition" with themselves to stay on top and remain attractive, whereas straight males don't really ever worry about these things.

    It's a ridiculous and superficial mentality however. One which I'm partly guilty of as well, but not as much anymore (I'm too lazy to go to the Gym). It took me a little while, but I do find myself more attractive than I did in the past despite not having really changed any aspect of my life (although I am beginning to try and eat more healthy. keyword : beginning). It's part of the self-acceptance process.

    Drop the idea that porn is representative of the typical male appearance. It's like ordering a hamburger at McDonald and expecting it to look just as great as it did in the ads. (Hint: It never will).


    On a different note. You mentioned your sister being a lesbian and your parents seemingly being fine with it, and although you do say that talking to her is out of the question, I'd actually suggest you do try to contact her (provided of course that you don't hate her, which seems unlikely given your post). Having someone in your surrounding that you can relate to or even talk to, could prove useful to help you go through your depression.

    You're definitively showing common signs of depressions, in that you're already invalidating any possible solutions to help yourself before you even start. You have to get rid of this mentality, you have to take a chance, make a step forward to help yourself. If you keep saying "It's not going to work" or "That's out of the question", you're not going to be making any progress, and it might actually worsen your psychological health because you're not receiving help. Nothing is going to change if you don't change.
     
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    If you are cutting yourself intentionally/& are severely depressed please get help today! Go to a clinic/ER any healthcare provider please.
     
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    Trust me, I know where you're at: I'm stuck in a Christian school, crushing on a straight guy (one of my best friends actually), self-image/self-esteem issues, suicidal thoughts, cutting myself, and sometimes I've wished I wasn't gay. And, I don't want to fall into the cliche of "life gets better". I mean it does, it will get better, for you and for me (don't really want to talk about myself right now, I'd rather try and help you get through this, but believe me, I know exactly what you're going through). Always keep in mind that, you're still only 16. You still have a full life to live. And so what if people can't accept you for being gay! Not everybody will accept you, and the ones that don't, well, they can fuck off, because no matter who you love, whoever you were born to love, to be with, no matter any of that, you are a human being. You are a perfectly normal human being. We all struggle with things such as depression, cutting, suicidal thoughts, (well, not EVERYBODY, but a lot of people do, so it's not abnormal), and millions of people struggle with being gay in a world that hates us. But that's what makes us human; being able to get through it all, and being able to become stronger because of it. And don't think for a single fucking second that you won't ever find love. Everyone, EVERY-FUCKING-ONE, will find love. Always remember that. No matter how terrible you feel sometimes, always just try to keep your head high, and always remember that you'll find love. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, hell, maybe not this year. Definitely not until you graduate high school if you go to a Catholic school, although I'm sure there's a possibility. But someday, and more than likely, sooner than you think. And despite what you may think, your straight, handsome, football-playing crush, unless he's really homophobic, if you tell him how you feel, he won't want to kill you or anything. I'm not suggesting you tell him, because there's always the possibility, but nobody, nobody normal anyway, would want you to die. And forget all about "nobody likes gay guys". I like gay guys. Hell, I LOVE gay guys. Hell, I fucking AM a gay guy! And, I love you. So do your parents. So does this board. People you've never met before, they love you too. Suicide is never the answer, no matter how much we think it is sometimes. And, I agree with Lex: go see that counselor. You don't deserve this shit, being depressed. It's horrible, and I don't think anybody would wish it on even their worst enemy. And, you don't deserve being hurt. Being cut open, even by yourself.
     
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    It's not your fault. (*hug*)
    Everyone has times where they need support and someone to lean on. That has nothing to do with being gay. Jesus said you would tell His disciples if they had love for one another. Bringing you down isn't doing that and you don't need to listen to them. Be yourself and it doesn't matter if it's good enough for someone else!

    Most importantly though, please find some sort of social network or support so you can help work through these feelings~<3
     
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    Well seen as everyone else has covered all the go and see someone things i don't really have much advice i just want to say
    Don't give up on trying to get out of it all, it's not gonna be easy. But when you finally do your gonna be able to look back and feel proud of coming though it
    I know that's probably not much help right now but yeah i know how depression feels and i just wanted to say that :slight_smile:
     
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    Body image issues are common among us. I hate mine! It's not female like I am. So even when I had my 20yo body with a six pack, bubble butt, and muscular arms and legs I still hated it. Mike my partner weighed yesterday and in a weeks time went from 210 to 211 1/2 and spent hours obsessing. I told him he better not loose a pound! I think he is so sexy as he is and don't find lean men all that attractive.

    As far as the looking at a man and seeing shoe size or height indecating dick size, nope! I can usuailly guess it pretty close by confidence, stance and his walk. 99% of the time I'm right. Like my FWB last year referred to his 8 inches, then when I got his pants off it was really 5 1/2 inches though the most perfect body on a man I have ever seen in real life. Mike never mentioned his dick size and I had the shock when his pants came off the first time to find 10. Oh Mikes shoe size is 11 1/2. My last ex had a shoe size of 14 and had 7 inches on the nose which he always claimed 8 and the 30 some odd men who's pants have come off for me never conformed to that old wives tale. It seems if they refer it being big and they are straight, it is smaller, where as if they don't brag it tends to be bigger. This is not allways 100% but pretty much so I have found.

    If one guy does not want you, the next will. I have never worried about finding a man in my life. They always seek me out! More than I know what to do with at times. If you are miserable and in the dumps and have a bad attitude they will pass you by. You have to be on your game, kind, giving, friendly, generally a good person and a leader always happy to surve. As a woman I am ugly to look at, but men always seem to go for me. Recently one who was persuing me told me plainly "June, you are the most bueatifull person I have ever met and the right man is closer than you think." I had broken it off with Mike that day and suddenly he was courting me over the next 10 days until I took Mike back. That was a hard decission to make because he is a catch! He is the most perfect looking straight man you could look at and is the one I referred to with 5 1/2 inches.

    Be the best you can be, and all will fall into place. No the guy won't say ewww your gross! If he is into you he will be really into you and think you are the best thing he has ever found! Love is blind to looks, money, dick size, and all other variables. I agree with the earlier posts as well. Good luck and stop hurting yourself! June
     
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    Thanks for that, I don't feel as bad.

    But that doesn't help, if not, it makes things worse.