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Why do I sabotage my search for a real guy?

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  1. SaleGayGuy

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    Hi Folks

    So I’ve been out to my wife now for 4 months (!) . We haven’t talked about it much but she seems OK about it even joking that I caused the boiler to break over the last weekend in the hope that the cute repair guy would return .. No such luck, the guy that turned up was not that cute. She suggested that I hurry up and get a boyfriend(s) who was handy round the house so we could get things done. Yes that’s correct; she suggested I should get a boyfriend!!

    So what’s my problem? So far I have not made the effort to go out looking to meet guys, I did try to go visit a group for newly out guys but it was closed for a few months because it was entering new leadership and I have not made contact to see if it’s restarted. I have tried various phone apps but most times I get hits from guys in late teens / early 20s or faceless profiles that are not what I am looking for. I have had better luck on web based sites where you can type meaningful messages but here is the strange thing, when I look at local guys I always “Remove Track” so they don’t know I’ve looked at them, it’s like I’m sabotaging my search effort :bang:. I can’t understand why I do this, is it that I am still in denial? But that doesn’t make sense since I have put 3 or 4 clear face photos on the sites I use.

    I seem to have switched all my search efforts into hunting down porn (still photos) on the internet and can spend 3 – 4 hours a day searching and cataloguing “my Ideal Guy”, I started doing this after reading Joe Korts book which made realise I didn’t know what sort of guy was my type. This is causing me real issues with work.

    Do I just need to go down the local sauna and get some action to rebalance my life and deal with all the pent up frustration, and then get down to searching for a guy for a more FWB type of relationship?

    Any suggestions would be welcome.

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    Wild guess...

    You too
    willinging to compromise ignoring your base needs in the process?
     
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    Hi Skiff

    Good question, I don’t really know what my base needs are, do I want a Mr-Right-Now or a Mr-Right

    It’s like I don’t really want to approach guys for fear of being rejected, also feel guilty approaching guys even though I have permission to play from the wife. I think it was you who mentioned recently you got into conversations with guys on the web that suddenly disappeared after they first made contact with you, same thing has happened to me.

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    Hi,

    I only ask about compromise as a MOM is a tsunami of compromises on many levels. What the heck you going to do with Mr. Right if you find him? Do you bring him home to wife or skulk in cheap motels? Loaded question but denotes the tsunami you face.

    I am not saying you are right or wrong but you need to decide your long game and work towards it and not roadblock yourself with compromises.

    Is it a compromise when a gay man marries a woman?

    Is it a compromise to create a MOM?

    If you find a gay love how will that compromise the MOM?

    Colin are you doing the same thing all us gay/married men have done all our lives? Keep everyone happy while compromising our own happiness?

    My only suggestion... Stop compiling, start enabling your happiness. Let it be about your happiness.

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    Be selfish.
     
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    Skiff you stated something here that resonates with me. It was true and still is. You stated . . ."all us gay/married men have done all our lives? Keep everyone happy while compromising our own happiness?" I try to keep everyone happy and comprise my own happiness. Part of this for me is my religious upbringing which i am wrestling with now.
     
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    Hi SaleGayGuy, it's good that your wife is so supportive. I'm the same age as you, single for 18 months (not by choice, my partner died), and I find myself starting all over again looking for gay friends - we were a very private couple, and never had other gay friends. I've successfully made some good gay friends. I haven't found Mr. Right as yet, because I don't know who he is. I suspect that is the case with you. Maybe you ave been developing an image of your ideal guy over the years, and now you have the opportunity to meet him you expect him to appear. Then there is the natural avoidance of rejection. I've recently met one guy who I get along with do well, and I'd like to take things further, but I don't want to risk our friendship by telling him. I just don't know if he sees me in the same way. So you see this problem is there for many of us.

    I live not too far from you, may even have left you a message on another gay networking site. If it was you, you didn't reply, and from your writings I understand why, but if you do want to get in touch I'm here and would be willing to meet and chat any time - the offer stands, with no expectations other than to offer support to you.
     
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    SaleGayGuy

    In one area you are like me - in another your are an opposing opposite. You and I are about the same age. I turn 54 Saturday. Old man here, ughh. I am just coming out. I did am have suppressed who I am in lieu of making others happy. As Skiff stated, compromising our own happiness. I do not want to be judgmental. However, allow me to step into your shoes. I know for me, if I was married (heterosexual marriage) and I came out to my wife (I am single, never married). This open arrangement would not work. First, I would not want an open arrangement. I am too controlling at times.

    If you are gay - that is fine. But you need to find yourself. Do you want to live as a married couple or do you want to live as a gay man and possibly a gay couple. You need to decide.

    This is not to say, you cannot be friends with your wife. I do feel that your marriage relationship is not working. You may need to review your values and possibly separate. As I say, this is from my mental perspective of how I operate not yours.

    Craig
     
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    Try getting out & mixing you have the perfect oppotunity in a few weeks with Manchester pride.:thumbsup:
     
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    Skiff

    What does the acronym MOM stand for?
     
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    Mixed Orientation Marriage = MOM

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    Somebody said they lose connection on dating sites prematurely...

    I am no expert and/or fan of gay bars but face to face people do not walk away.

    I have had deep conversations with guys who have polar views to mine on the value of a LTR and casual sex and they do not walk away and they not judge, we simply accept each other as unique individuals.

    Online dating... Not so much
     
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    Skiff: You are correct in that I have spent most of my adult life trying to please other people and disregarding my own feelings and needs. When I came out to my wife and we agreed to go down the route of an open Mixed-Orientation-Marriage I had not thought far enough into the future to the point where I may have stumbled across a Mr Right. As I spend time reading of other guy’s successes in finding a partner with a view to settling down together my mind turns to thoughts of a full blown gay relationship rather than FWB. Perhaps my reluctance to get involved with other guys is my self-defence to avoid getting into situations that could lead to finding Mr Right which would then paint me into a corner.

    Northern Guy: Firstly welcome to EC, this is a great site and has helped me so much in the last 6 months. Sorry to hear of the loss of your partner. Thanks for your offer of support, I will try and send you a private message with my contact details since we can’t disclose our contact details in the forum however since you are a new member you won’t be able to respond until you have been a member for a while. If that does not work I use the same photo on other gay networking sites as the one in my profile page on EC, perhaps you could re message me and mention EC.

    Crickett: I know I have chosen a very difficult route for now and that it would be much easier to have a clean break and restart my life as a totally out gay man doing the things I want to do when I want rather than trying to keep folks happy. But for now our financial position is such that we can’t afford to go our own separate ways and I wouldn’t want my wife to suffer. If she met someone else who could take care of her that would be fine and we could separate but I think she would rather have a sort of live in older brother rather than a husband so I don’t think she will go out looking for someone. So I’m kind of stuck.

    HertsOddBall: Yep I’m thinking of going to Manchester pride. I would like to go with our gay next-door neighbours, only problem is my wife doesn’t want them to know I’m gay (off the record they already know). Planning to force the issue by telling her they probably know because someone only a few feet away has repeatedly looked at my profile on one of those phone apps that finds guys close to you.

    SaleGayGuy

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    Northern Guy : As I thouht, because you are a new member I can't send you a private message. I will keep a look out on the web based gay networking sites I am registers with for your message.
     
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    Here is the thing about ideals or Mr. Rights - usually they are a fantasy.
    Don't discount someone on a sight just because the don't it a mold you have min your head.
     
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    I agree, we should not spend hours compiling a Mr Right and then searching for him.

    It wii happen on its own.

    I was referring to "on its own" Mr. Right.

    Personally I like a variety of people for a variety of reasons.
     
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    Hi SaleGayGuy

    Welcome back to EC wondered how you were going, so you haven't actually spoken to the next door neighbours, would be interested to know their reaction.

    Just being able to talk to someone who lives in the same area as you can be a big help.
     
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    Hi Cool Bananas

    I have been absent from EC in recent months because of other issues unrelated to me being gay taking up a huge amount of my time and thought.

    I did come out to my neighbours who are very understanding and discrete, but without my wife’s knowledge, about 1 year ago because I was going nuts :bang: not being able to talk to anyone, they also know that I am out to my wife. She is not bothered about them knowing as such, but is worried that they may tell their friends and our other neighbours and that if the other neighbours found out she would be so embarrassed we would have to move.

    So I don’t get the opportunity to talk to them openly and it’s getting me down, what’s especially irritating is that my wife often says it would be nice to have some gay friends, and she would like to go to a gay wedding.

    I am planning to use the phone app ploy I mentioned in my last post to imply they already know and it would be unfriendly of me not to tell them the truth face to face and get everything out in the open. The only problem is my neighbours don’t actually use the apps themselves so I just have to pretend they have seen my profile.

    The only snag with this plan is that we think my wife’s parents live next door to a gay guy and my wife may then become worried that this guy will recognise my profile and tell her parents since he knows what I look like. I do not know if this guy is on any of the dating apps / sites I use because he and his presumed, and cute, boyfriend are involved with local politics and very probably would be one of those anonymous profiles. My worry is then that my wife will want me to remove my photo from the dating apps to stop me being recognised but this would go against my desire to be open with others.

    Skiff & nydtc: The strange thing about my search for my ideal type of guy is that it has turned up guys that 3 months ago I would never have been drawn too.

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    Hi,

    Your household operates under an umbrella of shame?

    Your wife loves you, wants to stay with you but is utterly ashamed of you and has exaggerated fears (moving) if her shame is made public?

    Am I reading that correctly?
     
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    I would be pushing things along a bit; tell the wife that the neighbours spotted you somewhere and you didn't deny that you were attracted to the same sex. Sounds like she is ready to talk to another gay person or persons; best to be ones that you are interested in sexually, if that makes sense.

    I almost feel like I am like you; chatting to guys who are 10 or 20 years older than myself when really if I really want a LTR then I should be looking/chatting to guys who are closer to my age.
     
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    Hmmm...

    More lies, more fabrications...

    Straddling the fence can tear out your groin. :slight_smile:

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    And because I didn't proof read; someone you aren't interested in sexually.

    I hope that makes sense, for some reason I can't edit the post.
    :eusa_doh:
     
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    As a gay man out of the closet I am just personally sick of more fabrications.

    If there is one major regret in my life it is the fabrications to protect myself from a homophobic society. I cannot do it anymore.