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Out of the closet ... and then right back in!

Discussion in 'LGBT Later in Life' started by TakeMe2Church, Sep 11, 2014.

  1. TakeMe2Church

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    Hello, beautiful people! I am reaching out for support and understanding and all the advice/suggestions you can muster!

    I am a 47-year-old man and I came out as gay to my wife of 14 years about 18 months ago. We were living in the greater Toronto area where we had lived for 4 years so that I could pursue a PhD at a nearby university. After I came out, my wife elected to move back to the area where we were from, a heavily conservative area in the Southern US. We agreed that our two elementary age kids would move with her since she was the one with a job at the time. I subsequently secured some good work and remained in Toronto for the next year writing my doctoral thesis. Gradually I came out to my closest friends, began to play a bit in the Village, found a wonderful support group of men just like myself - Gay Fathers of Toronto, continued psychotherapy, and generally began to heal after the devastation of our marriage's ending.

    Indeed, the first six months were awful, full of grief, and tremendous feelings of loss. For the prior six years I had been our kids' primary stay-at-home parent; I was super-engaged in their lives from getting them up in the morning to putting them to bed at night, preparing all of our meals, taking kids to activities, and helping with homework. For them not to be in my house every single day has been the biggest loss and adjustment of the entire experience. So, beginning to come out re-oriented my identity in more than one way. I was now becoming gay, but I was also becoming a very different kind of dad. For the next 12 months after they moved, I flew down to spend a week of every month in their new city, rented a condo and a car, and brought them to live with me for at least that much time. Those weeks were the most normal I felt through the whole past year!

    After the winter holidays and the beginning of 2014, my grief eased up a bit and I began to find more joy in the life I had chosen. I started going to a a very gay-friendly church regularly and, since I am ordained, they even asked me to preach one week. Such joy. I only once got up the gumption to ask someone out for coffee, and I was rebuffed but still proud that I did it! So I guess in some senses I am only theoretically gay, since I have never had any sexual contact with a man at all. But I'm pretty sure that I know who I am!

    Still the absence of my kids was just excruciating, and I made the decision that I could no longer bear being away from them. They need their Daddy! And their Daddy needs them, too! So I chose to take a job about 90 minutes from their city and I moved in June 2014.

    The move made it necessary for me to be firmly in the closet again. I am a minister of many years in a Christian denomination that does not allow LGBT clergy serving openly (although I know many who serve in a "don't-ask-don't-tell" kind of arrangement). So I am convinced that I cannot remain in this same situation for a long time. I need to move on and come out.

    Being here in this very conservative and homophobic culture is tough. I have a few oases, mainly via phone from my Canadian home. My besties keep me sane with near-daily conversation, and my psychotherapist and I continue sessions by phone. I have also found a group of gay men who get together for social purposes in a city about 90 minutes from here. But, my job and my parental responsibilities prevent me from doing very much with them. I should be soon done with the PhD and thus be credentialed to pursue work that is more satisfying to me. However, it will doubtless require me to move a good distance from my kids again.

    So I am trying hard to gain three things: 1)being truly out everywhere; 2)being close enough to be the kind of parent I feel called to be; and 3)pursuing work that is deeply fulfilling and that I have worked hard to be qualified to do. I can seem to get any TWO of these things to work, but not all three together. So I am waiting and watching and hoping for a little serendipity to come my way.

    Thanks for taking the time to read my story! Let me know if I can clarify anything for you!

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    As they say, "2 out of 3 ain't bad." You're in a tough spot given that your new life seems to be pulling you in one direction and your old life in another. My sense is that you're going to have to make a tough choice here.

    You've mentioned you haven't been with a guy, so from my perspective you are still clinging to your family because you haven't made a real connection with a gay person. It's hard to be gay theoretically (believe me, I'm working on that myself).

    So in order for you to be fulfilled, you probably need to go out and be gay for awhile -- in a city away from your family. I don't think you can do both things at the same time. Right now you're stuck in a no-man's-land.

    I realize this is easy for me to say since I don't have children. But what you're doing now is living a sort of half-life in service to them rather than fulfilling your own life potential. I don't think a child would want that for their parent.
     
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    Hey TakeMe2Church, welcome to EC!

    Serendipity is possible if one is open to exploring as many possibilities as they are available, and there are many! One thing that is truly hard to understand is how your ex has managed to set the agenda. It is ultimately her decision to move away with the kids that has created these dilemmas for you. Granted, you are from the area you are living now, but still, your new life beckons elsewhere.

    I have three kids, we live 10 minutes' walk apart and yet it could be another country given the few times I actually have to spend with them. What are your current visitation rights with her?

    Would she be open to a shared custody arrangement, you having them in Canada for the summers, for example (should you decide to move back to Toronto)?
     
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    There really isn't any timetable that has to be followed to come out. It sounds like your end goal is 3 out of 3, and you're doing what seems to work best for all concerned right now, even if it means putting your own progress on hold for awhile. I can relate. There are pressures and obligations in my life that have kept me from dashing out of the closet as quickly as I would have liked, and that's caused me a certain amount of angst and self-doubt. Things do happen at their own pace, but if you take the view from 40,000 feet, you can see the progress you've already made, and some hint of a positive future. And the things that we see as roadblocks today often become less daunting as time goes by.

    Sounds like you have both a plan of some kind, as well as the trust that something wonderful could happen when you least expect it that could ease the situation. I can relate there too. Wonderful things can and DO happen when you least expect them, and they can change your perspectives and priorities drastically. Never underestimate the power of a chance event to change your life. A certain amount of blind faith can open us up to some pretty amazing things. Hope it all goes well for you.
     
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    Thanks, fellas. I appreciate the honest reflection. Here's a couple points that will help explain some things:

    First, my relationship to my kids. I'm not willing to pit practising my sexual orientation against being a father. I don't think that they are culpable for my sexual orientation. So, I'm not willing to punish them by withholding my presence from them even if it means stunting my own growth for awhile. That's pretty much what parenting is, in my experience, anyhow: self-denial in favour of growing a person! They know that I am gay; they are fine with me being gay; they need me to be as close to them as I can be. For me, to walk away for a time is just not an option. We have a completely shared arrangement with the kids. Their school is great and works for them, so we agree that they need to continue there. I get them on weekends, but I'm also available to volunteer at their school, etc.

    Second, my relationship with my ex: We are good friends. It has been super tough for us, for sure, but she has not resorted to bitterness and hatred. We communicate openly and well. I am invited to stay at her home on occasions when the driving is too much. I even hang with the kids when she goes out on dates sometimes! It's weird but it works. Not perfect, but workable. We are even taking the kids to DisneyWorld together in a month. The one regret that I have is that I agreed for her to take the children with her. I wanted the year to explore and to write the freaking dissertation! But I do realize now how that choice gave her the upper hand in dealing with kids. However, we both see that the kids being with me is a real possibility in 2-3 years. They've been through enough transition for now though, and they (and we) need to settle in where we can.

    Am I clinging to my family in order to avoid being more gay? That's not how I see it. I am being a responsible dad, and that makes some personal choices harder...just as it does for about every parent that I know! So, my kids come first, and I understand that this choice has its consequences. However, this does NOT mean that I am willing to wait forever or put my life on hold ad infinitum.

    Third, the weight and the recovery: I have always been overweight and over the past several years gotten significantly obese. After decades of struggle I found myself in Overeater's Anonymous. This was actually before I came out, and I have to say that this is the single best decision I have made over these last two years. Frankly, it was entering recovery and working the steps that gave me the voice to admit to myself and then to others just how gay I am. I am now fulfilling my heart's desire to be fit and healthy, to have a clearer relationship with food, and not to participate in my disease. Things are going well, the weight is coming off, I am getting regular exercise, and feel terrific. But my obesity is another obstacle to practising my sexual orientation. It's not necessarily an obstacle for someone else (though it surely could be); the primary obstacle is in my own head. And I am working on that. I am sure to post about that separately.

    So, thanks, guys for your honest reflections. You are bold and beautiful and your experience will be helpful in the days to come. Thank you for being willing to be a partner on this journey.

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    Thanks for the FR, ChoirBoy! It's good to find friends on this wild journey. I have resonated with several of your posts and thought that we have some aspects of our stories that are similar. Look forward to getting to know you and this group better!
     
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    ChoirBoy, I don't have enough posts yet to respond directly to you! But here's my answer to your initial question: YES! I do love that song and, of course, love the church, too. I am a United Methodist hoping for change, but pretty sure that won't be coming along soon! Thanks for your friendship, CB!
     
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    Dear Takeme2church,

    Thank you form sharing your situation. You are not alone.
    I am 44, and just came out to myself and to my wife this last Spring. We have a child. And I am also an ordained minister.

    I am still living at home with my wife, but we are effectively separated, living in separate rooms. I am not sure how long this will work, so I am beginning to wonder what it will be like when we are not in the same house. We have been equal parents all along, although my job has been part time for the last 7 years, so I have spent more time with my son. I can only imagine how hard this is for you being away from your children.

    Likewise, I have not had a physical relationship with a man yet. But I am making friends, and even with that I can tell I don't need to prove that I am gay... I can definitely feel the difference.

    I don't have much advice, as you are further down this road than I, but I do offer my friendship.
    God bless,
    Earnest
     
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    And your friendship is deeply appreciated, BeingEarnest. Thanks for sharing the ways that you see our stories overlapping. Indeed I think they do, too. I look forward to continuing the journey with you.