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Discussion in 'LGBT Later in Life' started by Benway, Apr 2, 2015.

  1. Benway

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    So, weird question here, me and this guy have been chatting back and forth, we're pretty cool with each other and he wants to have sex, now, he's 24 and I'm almost 28 and have zero gay sex experience, I haven't really talked about it with him (dropped hints here and there) that I'm a "gay virgin" but like, how should I prepare for this?

    (this is going down within the month, too, like, I'm finally gonna make this happen whether I want to or not, because I vomited the first time I performed oral sex on a woman and I'm pretty sure I hate ladyparts-- no offense to anybody)
     
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    Well, for starters, no need to overthink it; try and relax and take it easy. Communication is always best, as sex is more than a physical activity, your brain is the the biggest element of sex. So in that regard, you should not be concerned about telling him. If he knows, and understands, it will help the experience be better for the both of you. if you think the few hints you dropped have actually sufficiently informed him and he already knows, then continue to go with the flow. Enjoy it!
     
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    Trust your instincts. Reality is far different than virtual chat.

    I magine if you meet and he is NOT what he indicated in chat. Age 15 or 82, or some other distortion

    Go expecting NOTHING except to meet. Meet with no expectations.
     
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    I've met him in person, several times. This has been going on for over a year. I'm just so damned aloof and unsure of myself that it took years of self degradation and forcing myself to engage in heterosexual acts to figure out I'm probably gay.
     
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    I am not experienced either but I would agree about not overthinking it. Remember that having sex with him won't define your sexuality. Hopefully, it will help you figure out a bit more about who you are and it might feel really great in the process.

    If it is awkward, it doesn't mean you aren't gay. It sometimes is awkward and that is ok too. You might also enjoy it and find you are also attracted to women. There are a lot of possibilities. This act is only one thing.

    Let us know how it goes.
     
  6. Benway

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    Over thinking is a part of my personality, deep seeded it would seem as my own indecision.

    It's times like these I think of Dante's Inferno-- where would Minos cast me?

    My first guess would be the fifth circle, wrath, in the lake of the sullen, floating lifelessly until I come in contact with another shade, lashing out in anger from the muck and screaming until I fell catatonic again, wading down the endless waters. Because of how angry I was when I was a young man.

    My second guess would be the third circle, gluttony, an amorphous, fat blob of a shade waist high in slushy mud, endlessly being rained upon by a torrential downpour of icy rain from a featureless sky. Because of not only my appetite, but my addictive personality.

    My third guess would be the second circle, lust, thrown forever in the winds below the virtuous pagans, engulfed in a pungent smell of bedrooms and unwashed undergarments as I knock against hundreds of thousands of other shades not unlike me, tagging along with us either partners or friends or lovers only to be blown away and around over and over and over. I think this one's pretty obvious.

    But now I think I'd not stand before Minos at all and find myself in the vestibule of the Inferno-- reserved for the indecisive, dividing me from the Inferno-- from the Gates of Hell itself the River Acheron. Unable to even get Charon to give me a ride in-- my punishment, along with those like me, to forever chase a banner while being stung by wasps because I couldn't make any concrete decisions in life so as a shade my punishment is not even getting to get in.

    ...yeah, I over think things.
     
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    Benway, you've made some pretty huge strides in accepting yourself over the past few months. So first give yourself permission to be unsure and have some anxiety about this. It's a big step and for anyone that gets into their mid-20s and beyond and isn't sexually experienced... there's that much more shame that we put on ourselves because we somehow convince ourselves that we should have done this-or-that differently.

    The right person won't care that you are inexperienced. It's probably sensible to let him know, but you can do that as things are happening. He really won't care. And most likely, he'll treat you with extra kindness because he will likely remember his own difficulties.

    Also, try to show yourself a bit of compassion in taking time to admit to yourself that you're probably gay. That, too takes a lot of time for many people, and there's nothing wrong with it... each of us take a different path to reach our destination, and that's part of our experience.
     
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    OK, first up, congratulations for wanting to take your exploration further.

    So, what I've done is tell the guys I've been with the truth, open and honest about my lack of experience. Hasn't been an issue.

    Took to oral sex like I'd been doing it since I was 13. Only 2 guys so far have received from me. 4 others were all givers :grin: Haven't tried anal yet, because I want to find someone who I can see more than once. So, call me the 50 year old anal virgin.

    There's only so many things you can do. So, list them out, set boundaries, like we're only going to go so far, the first time. Don't worry about performance, set your expectations low. It's not rocket science...

    Make sure you are truly comfortable with everything along the way... don't force yourself to enjoy something. If it's painful, revolting, or just not your thing, communicate that to your partner. You don't have to do everything the first time.
     
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    Well, let's see here.

    First off, as others have said, relax and go with the flow.

    Second, don't be ashamed of your lack of experience and let him know so he can pace things accordingly.

    Beyond that, some suggestions...

    Don't worry about coming too soon. If it happens, it happens. Rest a bit, cuddle, kiss, do nice stuff to him, and most likely you'll be up for another round in 10-20 minutes or so. Or he will have cum too, and then you can both rest and recharge for another go.

    Don't worry about being 'big enough'. Penis size is going to be pretty much irrelevant for anything you are likely to do outside of topping, and you don't need to be all that big (regardless of what porn says) to give a bottom a perfectly satisfactory experience.

    If you are giving oral, mind your teeth. It's really not that hard a skill to learn, just take it slow at first.

    If you think intercourse is going to be part of this, refer to the page on EC about preparing for anal sex. Although, personally I'd recommend holding off on anal until you've gotten comfortable doing other stuff with him. It's easier to relax with someone your mind already associates with pleasure. Similarly working up to it with fingering, toys of various sizes, and possibly practicing alone and then together with fingers and toys isn't a bad way to build up to it if you don't mind it taking a bit longer.

    Don't worry about 'not knowing anything'. If you know how to masturbate you already know how to do something(s) that most guys are going to like at a basic level, although you may need to adjust a bit from your normal technique since guys can all be a bit different in their preferences in this area.

    Pay attention to your partner. If what he's doing feels good, consider returning the favor. If what you're doing has him breathing harder, moaning, and/or thrusting involuntarily...consider doing it more.

    Know your boundaries (temp or permanent) and respect his. He should return the favor.

    Don't forbid yourself to extend your boundaries if it feels right to do so.

    Always practice safe sex.

    Have fun.

    Hope this helps,

    Todd
     
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    What's the big deal? Just tell him that it is your first time, or your first time with him so he needs to be a little patient with you and not go farther than "X" this time if you want to set a limit. He will be so happy that it is your first time, he won't care how well you are doing it. :slight_smile:
     
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    The -big deal- is that the last time I had sex not only did I get used, but I was followed by enough emotional baggage for 48 hours to fill a lifetime's suitcase. Without elaborating too much, last time I hooked up with a girl, and she was batshit insane. After 48 hours of sex without (me) orgasming once I decided to cut all ties with her and went into a reclusive state.

    Now, that was a heterosexual encounter, yes. As I said, I vomited after performing cunnilingus and I'm pretty sure I hate the female reproductive system-- internally and externally. (Again, nothing against any women here, I just... don't like your parts in my mouth... or other places. :confused: )

    I'm just afraid that by putting my time into this it's only going to take me down the same path. Granted, I don't think my initial encounter could have gone much worse, but the point stands. I was 25 when I lost my virginity with a woman and I'm 27, now and with a guy all I can keep saying to myself is "this probably isn't going to work out."
     
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    Dante's Inferno put the fear of God into me for the first time in my life! At the time it never occurred to me, but I was desperate to revert back to Christianity after denouncing my fate. I would never be graced with the presence of the virtuous pagans. If I gave myself the benefit of the doubt, I might stand before the Gates and be incessantly consumed by ravenous maggots chasing that flippant banner...it was a great read though. I'm sorry your thoughts are so haunting.(*hug*)
    As for your current situation, just tell him you've never been with a guy. From my personal experience, I told a friend, and he found that "cute". Not sure why, but it's nothing to worry about. Maybe my naivete was what made him say that. He told me he had fun "teaching" me how to have sex. I think it gave him a sense of power in a way. It doesn't have to be anal. If it comes to that, there's lots of tips on how to douche(if you're bottoming).
     
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    Well, I'm not a Christian, and I'm not atheist, either, I just found the concept of Dante's Inferno fascinating. The guy got exiled from his hometown and was so pissed off about it that he wrote a huge poem that put all those people in a spot of eternal torture. I also like the idea of a hellscape, mapping hell, etc.

    As for sex, I'm not afraid of pain when receiving anal or anything (if I've done my "research" correctly I'm a power bottom), I'm just worried that I'm going to hate myself the way I did two years ago when I had straight sex, and the cycle will start all over.
     
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    I'm sorry bud, sometimes life is a crapshoot... no guarantees...

    I can't help you with that aspect of this.
     
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    If the expectation you have for your first man-to-man experience is that you'll hate yourself afterward, it seems to me that you are greatly increasing the chances that what you expect to happen actually will.

    Maybe you're not ready to have sex? If so, why set yourself up for a negative experience? Maybe you need to wait until you want it so badly that you KNOW you'll have no regrets? Or maybe you need to proceed very slowly and stay fully clothed until you're comfortable with what you want to do?

    "Staying safe" is the strategy I've successfully used for myself when it comes to dating. When I first became single I had a very positive attitude, but after a series of not-good experiences, I became very negative and cynical. Eventually I realized that I needed to stop torturing myself by hoping that my next experience would change everything.

    My solution was to set myself up for only positive experiences. The way I did that was to forget about finding a relationship and instead focus on making new friends. That was more than two years ago and I am so pleased with my life now. I have loads of real, quality friends and a busy life that makes me feel whole and fulfilled, even though I've been celibate this whole time.

    It's taken me far longer than expected, but I have finally reached the point where I'm totally confident that I can date now and not be sent into an emotional tain-spin should something bad happen. I can't tell you how terrific and empowering it is to feel in control of my own happiness, regardless of what others might throw at me!

    As disappointing and/or difficult as it might be to accept, maybe your fears are an indication that you're not ready to take this step?
     
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    I know thinking it might may increase the chances it will, but this fear has been pecking at me for over ten years now. Some nights I feel like if I don't do what I think might be what I have to do (gay sex) I might be in a constant state of torment. It's why I can't listen to Bob Seger's music-- every single song of his is about who he was screwing or fingering in the back seat of his Dad's muscle car when he was a teenager and it drives me insane-- a "trigger warning" as I see so many of the Z-gen people using.

    I never had that chance. I didn't. You might say it was because I didn't give it to myself, but it was taken from me. I was never able to do the things I should have done when I was younger because I was bound by an overprotective, nagging Jewish mother who would call the cops to look for me if I stayed after school to hang out with friends because she'd have panic attacks not knowing I was "safe at home." I never got to make good decisions, or make mistakes in my youth-- which I think we can all agree that mistakes are good learning experiences. I made none in this area. Through that deprivation and a mix of bad psychiatry over an extended period prior and after I was moulded into what I am now. Every time I hear Bob Seger's "Night Moves" I want to punch that jackass in the mouth.

    Ten years, no progress, only regress. One step forward, two steps back.
     
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    Ow, fuck...

    Okay, I got a little too headstrong. I rushed into things again, was heading to the gay bar, loitered around outside for a bit, tried to go in but couldn't force myself to, then I began walking home angrily because the guy I'd told I'd meet there kept buzzing the gay app on my phone and I got so mad at myself that as soon as I got home I slammed my face with a huge, heavy coffee table book, breaking and dislocating my own nose. Had to go to ER.

    I figured I'd just post this here as it doesn't I don't think it warrants its own thread.
     
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    (*hug*)Wow, Benway. I hope you're feeling better and hurting yourself is not a good answer.
     
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    No, I'm pretty far from "better," right now. I had to walk to the ER because I didn't want to explain myself to my mother (thankfully she was out, I timed this very methodically) so now I just told her what I told the people at the ER: "I fell down the stairs and hit my face on the bannister." My health insurance covered the ER visit, or most of it and the painkillers they prescribed me for the pain are way out of my price range with my insurance-- even the generics, so now I'm super pissed off and I have no medicine for the pain and I'm pretty sure my nose will not look right ever again.
     
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    Benway I hope and pray that you can come to a place of self acceptance. Easier said then done but I get the sense that you are well worth doing so! I too overthink things to the nth degree but am learning not to do so... when I let go I actually enjoy myself and it feels much better than bashing myself (literally or figuratively).