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48, a failure & terrified of death, yet wanting to die.

Discussion in 'LGBT Later in Life' started by HuskyPup, Jan 14, 2016.

  1. HuskyPup

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    Had a bit of a wild and moody night; am OK, in 1 piece, still, but worried what the future holds, and how long it will be. I am haunted by a friend's death, and just haunted, in general. At least I have no fear of death anymore; I have enough sedatives socked away to kill an elephant or two...if I took them, I would not even be aware of the painful part of death, that long agony my friends who have died have told me about, and which scares me very much. I want to go without that, on my own terms.

    What? I may have some 20 years still, maybe 30 if I'm very lucky, hard to say...the clock is winding down, and me, still so very much like a little boy, full of wonder. Not at all ready to go, yet still, crying over the thought of not being here anymore. Not so much scared, but very sad.

    I feel I had such great potential; the best grades, college, and all that...and yet, my skills never found a use as a humanist and English major, I have struggled just to get by, and feel in comparison to all these gays my age like I am such a failure, have no $, no credit, a stupid job that has no meaning and I can barely hold on to and pays shit, yet I keep for fear of not being able to afford insurance....

    So many time, I think: Maybe just end it now, while there is not so much pain????

    Who would even know, aside from a few friends; my family has had 3 suicides, it's sort od routine, now.

    And no, those stupid SSRIs and antidepressants DO NOT HELP...I have tried so many, don't tell me they work, and Wellbutrin was even worse, and the older rugs before that, the same...if I had to take them again, I'd walk out in traffic, jump in front of a train, slit my wrists, bleed all over. I HATE those stupid pills, especially SSRIS and antidepressants, which are a lie, a fake, they make you a lifeless, stupid zombie.

    And I hate then they say, 'Depression is a treatable disease', and all that BS, because, no it isn't , not always don't lie to me, I'm not dumb.

    And never call those idiotic suicide hotlines; they wound't even talk to me. Said I wasn't suicidal enough. The fuck? What do I have to do, bleed though the phone??????
     
  2. Bibliovian

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    You're in Maryland. Not too far from me. I can tell you, if you call a hotline, and say those things, they're legally obligated to talk to you. You have a plan. (check) You have the means. (check) You have the motivation to pursue it. (check)

    Not only should they be obliged to talk to you. They'll likely to persuade you to go to a hospital. At this point you're exhibiting all the signs so I'm going to do it: Go to a hospital. SSRI's help some people, therapy helps others, sometimes neither of those work but there are an infinite amount of possibilities.

    Maybe you don't have depression, maybe you have something more significant or just different so treatment targeting depression won't work. The only way to find out is seek help. You said that you had suicides in your family, so you know what devastation that brings, right? My cousin killed her self and the entire family fell apart. No one recovered.

    You're 48, buddy. If you think you have only 20 years left...you might be disappointed to hear the AVERAGE life span is 78. Besides, even 20 years is PLENTY of time to change things around. My brother is your age, he just changed careers, upheaved his entire life.

    It's important to separate what is chemical depression (ie a mental health dx) and rational depression (a reaction to something like a loss or something). Your experience feels chemical to me, but what do I know.

    But please talk to a professional. You have friends, family, that's more than some other people I know. Even if you turn down any kind of med, or assessment, just to talk about how to change what you aren't satisfied with in life.
     
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    Hey, HuskyPup. Depression lies. The lie I hear it telling you is that you're not bleeding hard enough. You are. You've bled all over the message you wrote. Please listen to Bibliovian's wise words.

    Get help today. Please?
     
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    When you feel alone,
    When you feel sad,
    Someone will come,
    And tell you it's not that bad,
    But if they aren't right,
    And things don't get better,
    Just remember to fight,
    And send out a letter,
    To someone you love,
    Someone you hold dear,
    They'll tell you it's okay,
    And do not fear,
    'Cuz if things are bad,
    And you feel so sad,
    Don't worry about it,
    Try not to get mad,
    There will always be something,
    In your life,
    That makes you smile,
    Every night!
    :slight_smile:
     
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  5. Mikelhpc228

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    HI HuskyPup,
    I agree, please don't give up on yourself. You are not a failure. Have you had a full medical exam recently? Some medical conditons can mimic mental disorders, or make depression seem worse. It might be worth your while to have a work-up with your MD to, medically to rule-out any undiagnosed conditions. Is a psychiatrist prescrbing your SSRIs? You may want to ask your MD to review your meds, especially as they are not effective. DO you see a therapist, or would you consider attending a support group for men in your circumstances? Please get help, don't give up!
     
  6. HuskyPup

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    Hey everyone, thanks...I'm eating some comfort food, having some chocolate milk, trying to calm down, and breathe.

    I do have a talk therapist I've been seeing, who I like; he was gone for a month, so we've just started up again.

    So far, out of maybe 6 SSRIs, they've all had the same really, really horrible side effects, and I can't tolerate them...same with anything that works of Serotonin/Dopamine...makes me all tense and numb and robotic, and makes me hurt, like my muscles are all tight.

    I think it's hard for me because I still can't even imagine a job that sounds like it would be a good fit. I was an English major, I read a good deal, write poetry, though I'm very much an extrovert.

    I'm horrible with computers, and not at all a fan of technology, and even science is only of tangential concern...I don't seem to fit what's at all in demand, and can't figure out what to do, in the realm of possibility...I'd like to do things like save the fossas and lemurs in Madagascar, or be a poet, and be paid for that, but that's not real practical, at all...

    Well, again, I'm going to lay down, and try to rest.

    I've always been way too scared to call a hospital; I had a friend do that, and afterwards, it was like the state took over their life, and treated them like a baby, or an idiot, and they got even more depressed, and are so much worse today. So I'm very, very scared of things like a psych ward.

    It is odd, though, my family suicides: A cousin on his 21st birthday, an uncle at 67, an aunt, his wife, at 68...and on both sides of the family. My family is distant, so it's not talked of much.

    Had a medical exam a year ago; things checked out almost too normal, as far as bloodwork, and all that went...but I do have a lot of pain and tension, jaw/TMJ issues, sleep problems, and a lot of generalized anxiety, even though I am very social and outgoing.
     
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    Oh good-You sound better. Unfortunately, Mental Illness does runs in families, your family has had more than its share, and you are correct-families dont often discuss suicide. The ultimate taboo topic. I'm glad to hear you contacted your talk therapist, great step. Do you use a mouth guard at night for TMJ? it may help you sleep better and reduce jaw pain & tension, especially if you grind your teeth at night.

    PS: Have you shared any of your poetry with EC? I'd love to read some!
     
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    Hi again, and thanks.

    I've posted some poetry here and again around EC, and that's awful sweet for asking to share some. I'll have to dig something up. It tends to be narrative in style, and tends to take me ages to revise and polish up...hard to ever feel a piece is finished!

    I did try a few mouth/bite guards for TMJ, but they ended up as chew-toys, and I ended up putting just as much pressure on the joints/muscles. After seeing a few specialists, and being in a study, I concluded it's a hard thing to treat...mainly, it's been anti-convulsants/sedatives and muscle relaxers; it was suggested to get two one hour massages per week, which I'd prefer, but that would easily run me $600 a month, almost half of what I make. I have had a few massages, and they do help for maybe a day or a few hours, then it's all tense again. I take hot baths sometimes, and wish I had one of those flotation/isolation tanks, I tried that once, and that really did seem to help, and make me more relaxed. I sometimes try to meditate, but with not too much success...too much static. It seems to work best when I pretend to be an animal (other than human), and think of what that would feel like, what your senses and consciousness would be like, then.

    OK, I think I'm starting to bounce back some. I still wish I had some idea/hope for a job that held meaning, and paid the bills better...that's been my worst struggle in life, not finding my niche, and feeling like the skills and qualities I have don't matter/are not rewarded.

    ~

    I'll post some poetry, and send a link, or maybe just post some here...

    Here's an older one I revised, from a series about love and loging in my teen years, about a boy I had a crush on, riding the bus:

    Maybe I forgot what you looked like


    I rode the same bus for seven years
    & only knew that skinny, red-headed boy
    from twenty minute rides
    in the grey AM light,
    shoulders bunched three to a seat,
    legs pressed close
    by curving river roads,
    pulled together by gravity
    as my own small sex strained
    hidden beneath the backpack on my lap
    &
    at night
    my thighs ground down the memory against the sheets
    eyes squinted down into pillows,
    his face
    etched in light behind my eyelids,
    orange hair like straw,
    the sour smell like apples, or glue,
    freckles caught like small stones
    in currents
    washing away an outline,
    the struggling upstream motion
    as I strain to fill it in.

    ---H.Pup, revised 2013
     
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    Yes, please bounce back more and more.

    I know it's not easy. Barking up different and wrong trees takes a lot of energy. I know.

    Also, I really enjoy what you have to say and the honesty and candor with which you say it. I'm sure many members here do so as well.

    We're here for you.
     
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    H.Pup-
    thanks for sharing your poem, I am new at EC, but I will look through some of your older postings.
     
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    I'm so sorry to read of your situation, Husky Pup.

    First of all I want to say that you matter to me. I didn't realize you were 48. I have always loved your youthful spirit. I thought you were in your twenties. You have worth. Maybe not monetary success, but that can be so hollow and transitory. Before I came out, I was solidly upper middle class posh suburb, private schools, a house and yard too large for four people and two dogs, and two Volvos in the garage. Smug and comfortable was I. That changed completely with divorce and having an English teacher's salary. My ex-wife makes three times what I make. I ended up in deep debt, with lots of credit that I cannot afford. I now lease a car and live in a one bedroom apartment in town. It's a big piece of humble pie to eat. You may think I've no right to complain. I'm not bringing it up as a comparison, but at 62 I've never been poorer. Retirement is a pipe dream. Teaching was a second career afforded by my ex-wife's income.

    I suffer from depression and anxiety. As you are aware, the medications have rotten side effects. Just last week I was in my therapist's office telling him how badly I wanted to go to bed and just not wake up. You see despite having the means to off myself, I fear damnation and what it would do to those I love.

    I know too well the pain you're suffering. I know I'm not supposed to contact you, but know you are in my thoughts and prayers. You will leave this world a lesser place without you. you need to talk with your therapist and your doctor and let them know what's wrong. There are solutions, and they may take time. I had a break down last year. My doctor told me that there is no place more depressing than the psych wing so I don't advocate checking yourself in except under dire conditions.

    I haven't been on here in ages, but I am now. If you need me I'm here. If your want to go rescue lemurs in Africa what's stopping you. I wanted to be an ornithologist. I should have.

    Big bear hugs and sloppy kisses,
    TScott
     
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    Hang in there - our life goes in waves, if it is down time, you should recover and rebalance. No money can decide level of your happiness. What matters is ho you feel about yourself and love yourself, don't measure yourself by your income. I am sorry to hear your friend has passed away, wish you best, hang in there and good feeling will come your way with time.
     
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    Hey Mr. Polar Bear, thanks so much for coming out of hibernation. Your words mean a lot.

    It is funny that I'm 48. I don't at all feel 48, or much want to be 48! I never listed my age in my little profile, because I didn't want to be judged for it; it seemed so much older than everyone, and I always thought it would scare people away. I have dropped many hints at how old I am in my posts; having come out in 1984, for instance and such things...but you'd have to be looking!

    Our situations have interesting points of convergence. I was also a lot better off, but basically, stagnant wages and steeply rising costs eroded that away.

    It's hard, too, because there seems to be this expectation that gay men 'should' be pretty well off, or at least, not struggling. It's almost like I'm embarrassed, at times, to meet people my age, because I don't want them to see how little I have, and because I just can't talk about living in the same kind of world, so to speak...but I'm sure you know the feeling, here, in your way.

    I'mm write a longer message and post it to your wall. I need to apply for full membership again, so I can post PMs. There's things I'd really like to talk about, more, I just wonder if they'll have me as a full member, or if they see me as too 'over the top', again.

    I sure hope I've managed to help some people here; I try to be honest, make folks laugh, be friendly...

    Well, we'll talk more soon, at work, then, soon, the bus to the train and then the walk home from there. Gives me exercise, tough!

    I sure hope you feel better, too.

    Hey there, and thanks...I do have the next 3 days off, and plan to take it easy, and rest. I see my therapist tomorrow, whom I like. (Psychologist). I don't take any anti-depressants anymore, because after trying so many of them, they all seem to have the same effect: making me very wired, tense, and numb....so, unless something new and much more accurate and targeted comes out, I'm gonna steer clear.

    Yeah, I have learned to be happy with less, to be sure. It's a good skill to have. The main problem, though, is say, when you need dental care, but get turned away, for being too poor to afford it, but making to much to get help...these are the times when not having $ is hardest, when you're' in pain, and denied treatment...and for vision and dental, the coverage I have just is not there, so I have bad eye problems, and my teeth hurt a lot, and the $$$ it would cost...whoa. I never have that much. Dental school even wants cash up front, and a lot of it....like $750 for a root canal/crown. How can I afford a whole paycheck for that, and I need at least 3 of them, and other stuff??????

    OK, I'm kinda rambling.....
     
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    Hi HuskyPup,

    I have to apologize. I thought about your thread all week, trying to give you a perfect response. Unfortunately, I don't have any advice to give, but, I did find this illustration of the poem Desiderata, by Max Ehrmann, which comes close to what I would have liked to say.

    Life is beautiful, hard, mysterious, and so, so improbable in this random universe...I wish you well my friend.
     
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    Thank you GW. That was beautiful.