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Feel worse not better after being honest

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  1. Hallertau

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    I'm 33, have been with my wife for 9 years, and married for 5. Recently we have discussed and are experimenting with opening our relationship up to other partners, mostly because she has some desires that I'm just not the right person for and that's ok. I'm really inspired by her honesty and confidence in taking this path. Love her and we want to be together for the long haul no matter what.

    But I realized that the only way our relationship will work as an open marriage is if we can honestly communicate about everything. And so when the opportunity came up the other day I finally admitted my same sex physical attraction (I don't think there's any emotional/relationship side to it), and that it's something I might want to explore more in the future (also admitted I was with a guy once briefly a decade ago). I don't think there were any surprises but I've never said this out loud to anyone really.

    I was kinda hoping that after 15 years of trying to suppress and bury these feelings that it would feel good to talk about it, but I just feel terrible. I want to go back in time and erase our conversation, even though it was good and there wasn't any outward negative reaction. If anything she was frustrated at me for not having opened up before.

    I know it was unhealthy the way I kept things to myself but I really really want to go back there because now I feel like I've lost control now that I've told her. I don't have great self confidence and am struggling. Don't people come out because it's supposed to help? I feel like I've just jumped off a cliff and instantly regret it. Maybe it gets better but I want to barf and run away and never talk about it again.

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    Yes, but its definitely a process and not a switch that just gets flipped. I know, we all wished it was much simpler and faster.

    So first, congrats for opening up and congrats for having a seemingly supportive wife! That is huge! Seriously!

    This is mostly what makes people feel like hiding away. This is the first time that you have felt you lost control over this side of your life. Its normal to have a very strong reaction to it. Its normal. Terrifying, but normal. So, breathe and try to talk yourself down. It will be okay.

    Keep posting and talking your feelings out. Keep being honest with your wife and having honest communication between you guys. You are right, open relationships only work with honest, constant and clear communication.
     
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    Welcome, fellow Coloradoan. :slight_smile:

    It sounds like you spent the last few decades making the closet your home. And most people tend to make their homes as comfortable as possible, even if it isn't the best place for them. And now you're in a new, unfamiliar and scary place. It's very tempting to desire the "comforts of home".

    But you've taken that step. That scary can't-turn-back-now step. But it's a step that takes you someplace better. So hopefully you can continue on that journey. Let us know if you think we can help. :slight_smile:

    Lex
     
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    Thanks. It's just really jarring to know or hear what seems like good advice, but to feel so upset and sick trying to follow it. I feel too vulnerable.

    Going to bail out of work and meet her to talk some more. I just can't shake the feeling that I've broken something for no good reason. It was shitty at times keeping to myself but having done it for 15 years I feel like I could have gone another 50 and not have to feel this way. What the fuck is the point. I don't even know if I want to act on this even with a pass to do so. Porn and fantasy is one thing but I think now I would be too ashamed to know that she knew. Fuck this doesn't even make sense as I type. Should have kept quiet.
     
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    Hi Hallertau,

    Welcome to EC :welcome:

    First, I want to commend you for having the courage to be honest with yourself and your wife about your sexuality. Telling your spouse that you are not straight is one of the most difficult conversations many of us in this forum have had.

    Each of us have our own timeline for becoming comfortable enough to come out. We've all received messages and programming from society, parents, church, and friends that being gay or bisexual is wrong, so we need time to overcome these. You came out when you were ready.

    As for coming out, many people feel liberated after coming out to their spouse, that a great burden has been lifted. This was certainly the case for me. While you are correct that you've lost control of your secret, your secret has also lost control over you. You have started down a path towards living a more authentic life where you don't need to feel ashamed because you are hiding your true self. While this may seem scary right now, you'll become more comfortable with yourself over time as you discover and express your true authentic self.
     
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    So frustrating to hear what I know is good and kind advice and to still feel awful about it. Like I want to thank each poster here so far while telling everyone to fuck off and you don't understand. I feel like I broke something for no reason. Maybe I'll never act on these feelings again and now I've just exposed myself unnecessarily. Fuck.

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    Going to bail on work and meet the wife for coffee before school lets out. I will come back here later to talk more here because even though I hate this it seems like a logically good idea and our next therapy appointment isn't until the end of the month.

    Fuck again. Might puke. Too old for this shit. Sorry if I posted the same thoughts twice here I'm trying to work this forum on mobile while feeling shitty and I guess I'm having trouble with it.
     
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    Many of us here have gone through what you are going through. We've ended our marriages because we came out as bisexual or gay. Try to relax and breath. Everything will be OK.

    What about this is making you want to puke?
     
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    Really wish I wasn't this way to begin with, really wish I had kept it inside. Feeling so embarrassed for sharing. I don't want to be authentic I want to go back to being myself. I don't have the confidence to own this. Anxious pity party.
     
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    If you build something on a shaky foundation, it usually involves at least a little destruction before you can build it on more solid foundation. But most of that destruction is the stuff that needs to be destroyed - the stuff not spoken of finally spoken of, the misconceptions erased.

    The word that jumps out at me here is "ashamed".

    You were talking about opening the relationship. And that originally meant her going to meet up with someone else who was better equipped to handle some desires of hers. In short, she was going to go somewhere and have the sex that she really wanted to have. And you were cool with that.

    Now, you're discussing making the relationship open in both directions. So you can (potentially) go somewhere and have the sex that YOU really want to have. And, from absolutely everything you've said, she is cool with that.

    ...so where's the difference? Where does the "shame" come in? (I have a few ideas, but I don't want to start throwing out advice before I know the whole story. :slight_smile: )

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    Hi Hallertau,


    I am an older gay man who was in a heterosexual marriage for 23 years and had 3 children in that marriage. Before we were engaged I admitted to strong same sex attraction without disastrous results. The marriage came apart because we grew apart not because of my same sex attraction. I committed to being monogamous and not screwing around on the outside. Over those years there were several opportunities for me to indulge in same sex encounters but just because the encounters were with men still meant cheating on my partner so I avoided the temptations.

    As per your post she handled the revelation well. It's you who are freaking out because you feel you will or somehow have lost control. I'm not sure of what that means and maybe you don't either. When you can calmly examine your fears you may find that they are old fears that can be easily handled by the adult you. Let us know how you are.

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    You are ashamed and embarrassed that you are bisexual and that you shared your sexuality with your wife. You want to continue to be your old inauthentic self because you feel that you lack the confidence to own being a bisexual man.

    Is this a good summary of why you want to puke?
     
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    Is this a good summary of why you want to puke?

    Yes.

    Also FUCK our second conversation just now did NOT go well. Feels I've let her and her shortcomings take the blame for relationships problems we've had over the years all the while hiding this from her. She has a point. I am a fucking coward and now I've ruined everything.
     
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    You've had...what?...some huge section of 33 years practice of being a heterosexual man, and almost a decade's practice of being a heterosexual man to your wife.

    You've had...what?...maybe 48 hours of practice of being a bisexual man to your wife.

    It's going to seem weird. Awkward. You're opening up. You're revealing your quivering gelatinous underbelly to her. And the good news is - she didn't plunge a knife into it. She accepted you. Not the you that you pretended to be, but the actual YOU. That's exceptionally awesome.

    And maybe there ARE some related issues that need to be dealt with. But see - YOU'RE DEALING WITH THEM. You're no longer sweeping them under the rug. You are actually confronting them, figuring out what's what, and what needs to be done. And no, this isn't a fun thing. But it's an important step to take, and one might argue it's a necessary one.

    And being bisexual is a fact. A datum. A thing about you just like your height and birthdate. It's sure as hell nothing to be embarrassed about. And it seems your wife knows that. :slight_smile:

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    I think now that's she's had time to reflect I'm losing her.

    Fuck I love her and fucke it up

    I think she doesn't think I can love her all the way. I don't love her any different ly better it worse.

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    I Fi nally get the fucking balls to share this and now it's probably too late. I finally felt really secure in our relationship to the point of letting it open up. I wouldn't have agreed to that without feeling secure. Now I feel betrayed for trying to share on top of hating myself anyway. Fuck I am shit
     
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    If you want to save your relationship communication not second guessing is what you two need. If you want to know exactly what she's thinking ask, don't take for granted that you know enough about her to know what she is thinking for sure. If you want to make your relationship stronger tell her that you will do all you can to keep it from falling apart. Tell her you love her and you fear she may be withdrawing from the relationship; this is not what you want. If she loves you she will work with you to get through what has become a difficult period in your relationship. You can both come away from this stronger than before. If and when your relationship becomes stable again promise yourself to examine your feelings about who you are without worrying about how others view you.
     
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    Dude, seriously. Stop. Take a breath. Then take another. Then take another.

    I don't know exactly what happened between the first post and the last, but I'm sensing more than a little self-sabotage, or self-reflection. She seemed cool with it before. You may have had some words about it in this last conversation, but NOTHING at all suggested that she was ready to jump ship. CTFD. You're in unfamiliar waters, and yeah, it can be scary as hell. But freaking out accomplishes nothing.

    Stay calm. Give her time to process. And give yourself time to process. Don't think every second she's not talking directly to you is another sign of her getting ready to pack her things - it doesn't work that way.

    If you're in the Denver area and want to talk direct, let me know.

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    Hallertau, give her some time to think about it, while taking time to think about it yourself. You are experiencing gay- or bisexual-shame. This is common and I remember regretting telling my wife that I was bisexual initially. Over time, I came to realize that I wasn't bisexual but gay; however, that is not the case for everyone and you may discover that you are indeed bisexual.

    Wanting to share that and explore it with your wife isn't something about which you should feel shame. I remember feeling trepidation after telling her and worrying that she would think I'm less than a man or that she wasn't capable of keeping me happy. You have to recognize that she may be feeling some insecurity now as well.

    Keep the lines of communication open, keep talking about it, explaining it, but don't deny it or try to go back on what you said. Own it. It shouldn't ruin your marriage and if you are afraid it will, you might need to take some time and question why such an innocuous revelation should end your marriage.

    Hang in there, bud. It will get better.
     
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    Thank you.

    Thank you.

    Thank you.

    Sorry for freaking out, I just didn't have anyone I could talk to about this and was happy to find this site, your replies have been genuine and helpful to read.

    Third conversation went better after things cooled down a bit and just finished dinner with the family. Kind of exhausted, feel like I want to just throw my clothes away and become a dumb animal. I live so much of my life in my head and I'm just worn out. I don't really know how to address the self loathing feelings, and the general shiftiness I feel about myself in general, and I don't exactly know where my relationship is going to go, but I'm here now.
     
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    I'm glad things have settled down for you. Both you and your wife need time to process all of this. Try to stay focused and take things one step at a time. Try to go to bed early and get some rest.

    You mentioned that you are seeing a couples therapist, so it's good that you have that in place. Do you have your own therapist? If not it may make sense to find an LGBT therapist to help you work through the issues. Specifically, to help with your anxious thoughts and address the shame about being bisexual.

    Again try to stay focused and take things one step at a time. Things will get better.
     
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    Acceptance should come most importantly from yourself. I hope you could take away the self-loathing as this will only cause more problems to you than any person. Being Bisexual/Gay/Pan or whatever is nothing to be ashamed of. Being out needs getting used to, though.

    I hope you can learn to be at ease of yourself very soon.

    Goodluck!