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Discussion in 'LGBT Later in Life' started by Piston, Apr 27, 2016.

  1. Piston

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    Hi,
    This forum is more my age group. I posted on the welcome site earlier today.

    I am married with kids. Happily married .... Except I don't enjoy sex. It bothers me a lot. I feel like I have been chasing my tale for the last thirty years wondering what if I am gay. Those thoghts go through my head and cause me anxiety and depression. No I have never had sex with a dude. All my therapist since age 24 said I am not gay but the little voice in my head keeps telling me I am. I am trying to rid myself of this non peace of mind and face my fears.

    I don't want to run the risk of sounding crazy on a first post but is it possible to not like sex and not be gay?

    Cheers,

    T.
     
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    Yes, it is entirely possible to not like sex and not be gay!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality

    Here's an article that could help as a starting point.

    Welcome to EC, it's a great place to learn and share.
     
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    Welcome to EC, Piston. This is a warm and supportive place, I hope you find that in your experience here as well.

    I wanted to point out just like Adray did above that maybe you are asexual. But if you think you might be gay, that may be true as well. Do you have reason to think you are gay? Fantasies, finding men attractive, etc?

    I know that I am attracted to women and I've never had sex with a woman. This is something that doesn't necessarily require experience to know. But you have to go by your instincts.

    Perhaps you can try out these different identities. Try thinking about yourself as gay, go through the day and check out men, try fantasising about men, flirt with men. See how that makes you feel. And perhaps try the next day to go through the day thinking about yourself as asexual. Perhaps try fantasising and flirting with men and women, but with the acceptance that it might not turn you on.

    I don't know if that is helpful, but it's a start.
     
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    I really don't want to bring up the obvious possibility because it makes me sound like an asshole but have you considered you might also just not like sex with your wife?

    If you love her, then it is likely that she isn't entirely the problem. It's also likely she isn't the problem if you NEVER liked sex with her.

    But I felt I had to suggest this as a possibility. People can vary a lot in their chemistry, especially if you are on the ace spectrum.
     
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    Hi,

    Thank you for the advice. I suppose I have some internalized homophobia for sure. My story is an interesting one to say the least. I dated in university and up until I got married at 37. Had a nervous breakdown severely at age 24 after successfully having sex with a woman. My relationships were short as I would get stressed out over intamacy thinking I was gay. Key word is thinking. It is not like a look at a man and get excited or fantasize about them. It is the constant voice in my head saying I am gay and no good, inadequate etc. I don't hate sex with my wife, it is just that I don't get turned on. A procedure I suppose.

    Tired of this voice and seeing if there is any validity to it. Tired of shrinks and trying to sort this out on my own.( with support here)

    I watched some gay porn today and nothing. I went to a gay bar and kissed a guy and nothing. Still that voice persists. Moment to moment that is all I think about is sex. What kind I would like. When I am out I check out women and even men checking for responses. Feel like a pervert sometimes.

    Thoght about craiglist but I know I would just get scared and run away. I also don't wanna cheat.

    When in changeroom or showers at health club I will check guys out to see if I like it. I don't have the urge or get excited or anything. I have dreams with women in them periodically too.

    I am sharing a lot with people I don't know but I want to get to the bottom of this.

    I don't expect miracles but perhaps some support while I sort this out. It is all I think about all day. Am I or am I not gay. Why don't I get turned on? I have been trying to fix myself since I can remember. My recollection of getting turned on is from early twenties and mid teens from unavailable married women. I want that feeling back.

    Some people talk about a anxiety in there stomach, mine is in my groin. Kinda of funny but not really.

    So how would go about being gay for a day without getting in trouble.

    Thanks,
    Piston
    Tv
     
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    What about when you fantisise and masterbate, what is better men or women?
     
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    Hi,

    Good question. It is more of a manual stimulus thing when master bating. I think about women usually but sometimes I look at the dudes penis and wonder if I like it. it is more of a release and habit now.

    Tb

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    Hi again,



    I love my wife. And we get along. I would say that she doesn't get aroused either and doesn't like sex just penetration from what I could tell and from what she told me. She is not into it and would be glad not to have sex. She has even said she thinks it is dirty and won't even give or receive oral. I always have to initiate but lately I don't really want to if she is not into it. I brought up the idea of trying different things but she said she doesn't want to go out of her comfort zone. One of the reasons I married her is because all the previous gals I dated before that seemed like nymphomaniacs and she wasn't. So I know what I got in that department. So I suppose I should not complain.

    I got excited a little with a woman sales rep and felt something and wanted to kiss her then I felt bad for thinking those thoughts and stopped.
    Driving with my boss today and felt anxious and wondered if I was turned on. Can't tell,if it is anxiety or arousal.

    Just feels good writing having people to chat with about this.

    Cheers,
    T
     
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    I wouldn't really say that you are gay. From all that you have said you seem pretty straight as far as who you are typically attracted to. But like someone else mentioned above, I would look into asexuality and see if that might apply to you, at least in part. It seems like you are just not very interested in the sexual aspect of things, which some people happen to be that way. Asexuality can typically consist of not being attracted to either gender or not having a desire to be sexually active(this part seems to apply more to you).
     
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    I suppose there could be a level of denial that causes you to not acknowledge your attraction to men if it is there. But that said, I know that I'm more gay than bi, and that I really get turned on when looking at guys and fantasize about guys, but I also honestly enjoy sex with my wife. So exploring that you might be Asexual (your breakdown after having sex with a girl the first time ever makes me think it's more than just not being attracted to your wife) really seems like the right direction to take.

    Being gay for a day...well, you've checked guys out. You've kissed a guy. Short of having sex with a guy, there's not much else to explore there. You could give that a try but from the way it all sounds, I don't think that will answer your question.
     
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    What can I say other than thanks for your input.

    When I look back on my history, there are reasons for the way I am. Tough to take as I have had high expectations of myself. I was what you would consider "hot" and had lots of attention. My belief system was that I should be a stud and be attracted to every girl and if I did not I was a failure. I wasn't alowed to have a girlfriend but expected to bang em all anyway. Stupid societal a and familial expectations I bought into.

    I went to aa for a couple of years because my wife gave me an lultimatum when I came home drunk from the strip club and asked ifs she wanted a threesome with one of the girls. In aa when they said be honest with yourself my brain thoght it was my sexuality.

    My latest shrink who is a twelve stepper said that I was a sexual anorexic and to quit watching porn and master bating. The thing I did not like about that was I had to admit I had a problem and my life was unmanageable. Basically admitting I am broken. Hard to fix something that ain't broken is the way I am looking at it now.

    Still tough to take. Have to accept myself as okày and move on. Hard to do. Simllar struggles others on here have gone through.

    I know I talk a lot.

    T.
     
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    Piston,

    To add to the chorus of diagnoses, I'd really recommend looking into HOCD. There's a good article on the topic here: OCDOnline.com

    Good luck man!
     
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    Yes, I have checked out the ocd thing. Thanks everyone for your input.
     
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    Hi Piston! I relate to what you say because I kind of have / had the same thing.

    I've had this feeling a lot with men. Only I'm a woman so during my life it's caused me to end up in relationships and in bed with men. It was just so easy to do and besides, it was the "right" thing to do.

    Currently I'm looking into my real, deep feelings. I say deep because it's as though they're buried deep in the body underneath layers of anxiety and tension. I'm able to reach them through meditation. These feelings are warm and dream-like, they feel authentic, "clean", pure and wonderful if you know what I mean. I'm sure you do, probably you catch glimpses of yours every now and then, right? Follow that trail, see if you can catch on to a tiny something which feels "right", and then stay with it.
     
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    Hi sorrel,

    Not exactly sure what you mean. I am kinda settled into this is the way I am mode. I don't know really what to do. Just accept the fact that this is the way I am without driving myself nuts.
    Seems that I am grasping at strings to find answers for my anxiety. I am just going to try and like myself the way I am and whatever happens happens. Anxiety goes down when I say to myself maybe am. Oh well.
    Funny I am watching Dexter today and he doesn't like sex. It might be just the way I am or maybe not.
    I have done meditations eastern meditations particularly and I had to stop them because I could not stop them. Hard to explain without sounding nuts. The message I got from that was love your wife.
    Trying to fix myself and not sure how.
     
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    I guess what I'm suggesting is to ask yourself why you feel what you feel. You write that you are looking for answers for your anxiety. So a good question to ask is, what purpose does the anxiety serve in your life? Why is it there? It's somehow a part of who you are, and it makes you feel like yourself to some extent. Also the questions and feelings you have about your sexuality work like that. So what is the difference between those feelings? Where in the body do you feel the anxiety? Desire? Why are they triggered? etc.

    You say your anxiety goes down when you say a certain thing to yourself. You could experiment and just look at what happens when you don't say that thing to yourself. Then say it to yourself. Compare... how does it feel?

    Personally I don't think there are any final answers to anything, there are just sensations that come and go. So if we pay attention to them we can learn what's really going on, over time.
     
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    Okay, I think I know what you mean now. Reading over my post I sound a little odd. Realistically if you met me I would appear normal. My insides don't match my outside.

    What is normal anyway. When I look back I have always been sensitive and insecure. I slowly learned how to cope with it and carry on through life. Mostly abused alcohol and marijuana to cope. I have severely cut down my habits and trying to deal with his now. This is the way I am and I have toa accept it. The anxiety, weirdly enough is in my groin area and genitals. Can't believe I said that. Anywho, some very caring and supportive individuals here. Bye
     
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    Just FYI, this is quite typical of HOCD.
     
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    Hi nerdbrain,

    Sadly, I think you are right about the ocd thing. Anxiety is a bitch ain't it. Hard to find a decent therapist as I live in a small town. I do t get aroused around men and I know that but I keep getting these thoughts.

    Thanks to all who have contributed to this thread.
     
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    Piston, you seem very normal to me! I think you are brave to share your thoughts here. We all are quite brave actually to come to this site and connect with one another! I think EC is amazing.

    Anyway, just wanted to say that I know how you feel. I'm a sensitive and insecure person too. But I'm not insecure all the time, which makes me believe that I can free myself from limiting beliefs I have about myself, step by step. Maybe not today or tomorrow, but further down the road. I think that's possible for anyone.

    Wishing you all the best!