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  1. Imjustjulien

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    Hello everyone.

    Where to begin…where memories make sense. In my teens, with a friend while on school holidays, and while his parents at work. Home together alone. Coming inside, he sat on the big armchair chair, and I on the armrest, there was a silence, we seemed to be waiting, an unspoken expectation. Desire for something. We were boys, maybe fifteen at the time. Still without words, I reached forward and down, gently purposefully slipped my hand under his belt and into the warmth of his trousers. Touch. At that moment (now a lifetime away) we both knew, I knew. Though I had never done that before, it was so familiar. We sat looking at each other. An intimacy welcomed without so much as a single word.

    Then the sound of the key in the front door, his mum was home. Our unrehearsed rendezvous was over.

    We never mentioned it again, drifted apart, and by accident or intention went to other ends of the high school yard, and kept our distance at parties. But always that knowing look, that glance to each other, but we didn't dare. Country boys. Gay was not seen, lest it be a hurtful joke at someone else’s expense. Homophobia had a name, and a sting.

    Looking back again and again over the years, it was me who acted. The memory, romanized yes true, but accurate yes also true. Then folded up like a treasured letter and put away in the closet, until in these recent years, slowly opening that door. Wanting to step outside.

    There were of course other occurrences, with another friend, we spent weekends riding our bikes out to the local lake, being naked was innocent. Again it was me who initiated. It was natural, there by the waters edge. And so many times since, in these straight played years, little things, all let slip pushed aside, but not unobserved internally, very much aware, building up in my being, one learns - almost without knowing - intuitively - as self protection and survival, how to block and cover, all the way to these words here now. To celebrate and share these feelings with you.

    I welcome feedback, observations, your own experiences, recognition.

    I realise now – though in stereotype I admit, we are viewed differently, as if odd or somehow lesser – by those of other sensual sensibilities, even in todays more open world (for depending on where you live, culture and beliefs are strong and deep rooted) that we who find our own - men attractive, we are not alone, nor are our experiences isolated, but are shared felt understood by each of us. Understanding, of self and of others, truly is a key. For if I know myself by just one percent, then I can know you by that same amount. Thank you for reading my story, for being here to hear.

    Memories make sense.
     
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    Thank you for sharing your story with us.

    These memories reawakened later in life as clues to your true self. Like many of us on this site, you are discovering that you were conditioned from an early age to hate your true self by a homophobic society. Unlearning this conditioning will be crucial in your liberation. You may not be ready to go there yet, and when you are this blog discusses some of the things that helped me - Healing the shame of being gay.

    It's not too late to go back to the armchair and rediscover the warmth of trousers.
     
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    Thank you SienaFire,

    Unlearning..., healing..., it is enriching to read what you point too..!

    I had not realised how much I have pushed down and out of sight... But never really gone, always there... Like layer upon layer of 'this is how it is' and its not true. That is the joy to me, seeing through very different eyes, more colour, more richness, more beauty, more everything.

    That armchair, finding those warm trousers again seems not so far off, so distant, so out of reach... thank you.

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    PS: Have just read 'Healing the shame of being gay' and will be returning to do so again and again..There is ao much there which I relate, and so much that it bring a spotlight onto... for example and importantly "Accept and love yourself for who you are." No punches pulled, you have really helped open up the those bolted on outer layers of the onion for me. As if a layer of that case harded fear, that I wasnt really aware of has fallen away.. thank you. I'm glad to be here..
     
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    Some insight on my "bi or gay" side... figuring out approximately when I knew for sure that my interest in guys was more than just a passing curiosity has been somewhat tough. I think I knew sometime in my mid to late teens, but of course growing up in the 70's, there was NO tolerance for someone being gay, especially in a rural community. I basically chalked it up to normal "curiosity" and didn't focus on it. And since I still enjoyed women, I didn't really despair too much, thinking that if I found the "right one" to share my life, I'd soon forget those "guy" feelings. I'm sure you've heard some guys even go as far as saying that they thought a good women would "heal" them of any gayness that was present. To some degree I guess I thought that as well, but early on I didn't know that these feelings would continue to nag me, and that they could not be shaken. And, back then giving it a label such as "Bi" wasn't even in the vocabulary, nor would it have helped me figure out how to handle it (a continuing struggle).

    However, later in life when I did learn that the feelings were there for good (nagging at me just below the surface); of course I tried to bury them deep down, never to reveal them to anyone. That's when the I must be defective part kicks in, and you never want to let your guard down. But still, you notice yourself checking out guys in the mall, and you try to correct yourself. It's not that I "didn't" notice a good looking women, but if I were honest with myself, I think I would notice hot guys a lot more. So you find yourself looking, but trying not to be noticed looking. Then again, maybe it's a big comparison contest, always checking to see if you measure up. Perhaps that's tied to self confidence, or the lack there of, I'm not sure how to slice and dice the subject, but it exists all the same.

    Over the years I've really tried to bury my gay side, as often it felt like a "curse" that was place upon me. It became a secret burden that grew heavier and heavier over the years. At times I thought it was banished, only for it to crop up again over and over. Years ago every now and then I'd go to an adult book store and watch some porn in the video booths to get some satisfaction. Then when the Internet became easily accessible, that was the route I took for a quick fix, then try to return to my "normal" life. However, it made me feel dirty afterwards, and flawed as a person. Unanswered prayers to God for help with the feelings made me feel even more alone and distant.

    Today times have changed and I think it's not as difficult for this generation to take a long and hard look at themselves and figure out where they fit in, and to consider living an "authentic" life. I'm not saying it's "easy", but people in general are at least are a lot more accepting and have been educated more as to realize it's not a "choice" as to whom we're attracted to (it's a lot easier being straight, so who would choose a much more difficult path?). I think back to the way my life "could have been", but so many bad choices have already been made, so many lost years, it's pretty much too late. But my wishes are for the next generation, hoping they have a better chance for happiness, and waiting for the day when in the public eye, it really won't matter any more what path they choose; those barriers won't be there to torture and cause the deep pain during the coming out process.
     
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    Postscript: Just a few minutes away, thinking on all I've said, and then all I've in your blog... comes that saying: 'when the student is ready the teacher appears' the ah hah moment, as it were. It is at this very instant like looking in the mirror, figuratively and for real, saying "I'm Gay and I'm Proud." And it is true...! Empowering....for reall."

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    Mav96213, Amazing, I can relate to so much of what you have shared.

    For one, the seventies were difficult for me for sure... Being the young man the mould said I had to be and in a sense through ignorance and unnamed fear foing along like a lemming. Not in any way to slander my own intentions of anyone else...we all work with what we've got, which it seems can be heightened in the closeness of country town communities.

    And what you said about: "But still, you notice yourself checking out guys in the mall.." (right up to today and more so, now though I'm pleased to openly acknowledge, I allow myself a knowing smile and say under my breath 'well of course'). Paraphrasing your words: so often I have sought to correct myself. Noticing a good looking women, but being honest with myself, I simply and truthfully notice guys, handsome guys, cute a lot more. I find guys to be sexy...appealing, its just how it is. ☺ drawing from something I just read it feels like "when one is filled with joy, whatever we see, hear, experience, feel brings us joy. So the word joy is perfect for how it feels. To repeat that simple yet powerful affirmation "Im Gay and I'm Proud to be Gay."
     
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    I'm glad that you found my post and blog helpful. Please keep in mind that you have a lot to process as you discover yourself, and there may be times when you feel overwhelmed mentally or emotionally. Try and pace yourself as best you can and keep on posting!

    You mentioned that you spent most of your life pretending to be straight. Are you still pretending? Or more specifically, are you still in a mixed orientation marriage or relationship?
     
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    Pacing...thank you Keep posting, makes sense, your replys encouraging, like a hug..!

    Yes, a straight life lived thats true. Funny (or sad) thing I thought - or didnt think or tried to ignore, for so long, so many years 'this is my life', of course Im happy - why wouldnt I be - but I wasnt. Square peg round hole...or I guess without intended crudity wrong hole. Yet deep inside (again no pun intended) that knoring truth about what I want to do, be. Like in your blog, that sense of wanting to live gay... not romanticised, but a determined self awareness of hidden behaviours, knowing there are like minded to share this with. Your suggestion to connect with with local LGBT group seemed to hit a welcome nerve... though maybe not yet, but soon.. Pacing, as you wisely advise.

    Still mixed orientation, its such an old 'safe' habit.
    But worn thin, just doesnt feel right, like I'm treading water, and can see my friends on the shore waving...! More and more of convenience and habit. Like leaves turning as autumn arrives, a matter of time till the wind blows... Its a complex place to be in...the layers are many.
     
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    Imjustjulien, we all have channeled our repressed self in different ways while behind our emotional walls in the closet we built for ourselves. Personally, I channeled my emotions towards my career, building my self esteem and confidence through the praise and recognition of my work. But that self esteem and confidence was built on a foundation of egg shells, cracking with each step I took, until one day everything collapsed from under me.

    While working towards self acceptance, I embraced the methods I used to develop myself commercially, to refocus my mind on developing myself personally. While the professional achievements I had did not go towards fulfilling my life rather filling an emptiness, I used it as a guide to help me along my personal journey building my personal self esteem, confidence and love for myself.

    You have a beautiful gift to write, I enjoy how you put your thoughts to words. And your writing has lead me to wonder if you developed it as a pretense, just as I developed my career, as a way to channel the true nature of ourselves at a time when we were not able to embrace whom we were.
     
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    Before you return to the arm chair and the warmth of the trousers as a repast to celebrate the autumn winds, you will want to swim to shore and close the summer cottage of your mixed-orientation marriage. For now you will want to start swimming to the safety of your waving friends on the shore, motivating yourself by thinking about the prize that awaits you in autumn when you can unbuckle his belt and rediscover his treasure. We can help guide you safely home (&&&)
     
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    Julien

    Welcome to ECs. (have not read all the replies yet) You have taken a brave new step in your life. It's called explore and discover. Exploring and discovering who you are (your sexuality) usually occurs in the teen years. If you are heterosexual it's pretty much a no brainer, one gravitates to the opposite sex.

    So you are finally coming to terms with explore and discover. Since I'm ahead of you in this process, I can say IT'S WORTH IT. Keep going forward. Will you find a partner? Time will tell. Importantly you will have answers.

    Great country, Australia. I've hitch hiked the East Coast. Teased the crocs in the Northern Territory and hiked treks in Tasmania. Really great place. Make you a deal. I'll come back, pretend I'm hitchhiking, you stop and pick me up, we revert to being teenagers and exploring and discover who we truly are.
     
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    There lays a plan for which the quote at the bottom of your post “The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek.” seems poignant and apt.

    The mixed blessing of hope, excitement and apprehension. Underpinned by a deep knowing, a yearning, unrequitted. Reaching out to each of you those waving friends.

    It is a crossroad, a moment arriving, how to step, to reach out.

    ....and for he to unbuckle mine.

    These words while poetic, are my heart pouring out. Thank you for this place friends on the shore.
     
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    The quote to which you refer was very important in my own coming out, as it was a metaphor for the darker emotions associated with the yearning of my true self that was trying to get out as well as the raw power of the authentic self once unleashed. I wrote a poem about it (be sure to chckout the OP's poem as well) - http://emptyclosets.com/forum/lgbt-later-life/181722-closetomb.html#post2679456.

    In hindsight I was not afraid of my true self, but rather the manifestations of the shame and internalized homophobia. Heal them and all that remains is your authentic self.
     
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    It's interesting to read your posts Julean for now I can see so much of my past me (feeling(s)) in your current writings (struggle).

    Lately I've been reflecting on how my past me feelings (communications from my sub conscious, if that is what it is called) have been talking to me all along. It's just that I was not listening all the time. Of the limited listening I did, I did not understand. Of what I did not understand, I did not know how to interpret. Of what I did interpret I did not know how to reflect on. Of what I reflected on I had no cognitive skills to process.

    Does all this sound daunting. It is and that is the task I have been delegated and working on for the past few years.

    The last one element, cognitive skills, I recently had a short forum thread about. It came down to, what is normal. Stunted gay men do not know what is normal. So its hard for them to plot a course forward.

    Complicating the plot forward, is shame and uncertainty for being gay.

    So getting back the your post. You hunger for intimacy (communication to you) but the things that hold your back (more communication) is shame and fear.

    So you have to work on beating down shame and fear. How have I been doing this? I went to a drag show couple weeks ago. This weekend I go to gay pride in Phoenix. I embrace who I am and I try to have fun doing it.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    Dear Julien, your prose is indeed poetic. I can't tell you how much I enjoy reading it and how I hope you will write much more. Perhaps there is a book in it? My first love was a jackaroo from West Australia (yes, really — unfortunately he was hopelessly straight), and I'm familiar with life in small Australian country towns, having worked in my youth all over Victoria. I would just like to add my voice to that of others: it's never too late to come out (me: 63), and the pain and sacrifice is well worth it.
     
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    Thank you, though like you no doubt as kids our parents told us beware strangers, with thumbs out on the road, danger can lurk. That being said, maybe wear a bandana of joys from afar with the smile of a teenager, then sure to connect, beneath waterfalls, hidden coves, camp fires under the stars, explore and discover the like minded of who we are... cheers and happy safe hitchhiking!

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    I read the poem, how raw and beautiful. Am how closely I relate. These words jumped out for me, to me: "... he found the treasure chest inside he found the strength to say, he is gay." And "...terrified of this word all his life, he didn't want to be different and feel ashamed (so true at such a deep and even primal level...OMG) by embracing this word he found the light," and "...comforts him like a warm cozy blanket (this feeling I have enjoyed, standing naked in front of a mirror, asking 'who am I?' " then "... found the strength to love himself and destroy his closet, I am gay."

    ".....no more lies, no more regrets"

    I know this to be true, I am gay. This is me, just like you, just at different marks along our path.

    How beautiful. Thank you
     
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    Dear SiennaFire, it is such an important, layered and rich question, which I want to come back to again (and again as you so kindly prompted to do), like shedding the layers of the onion, or better being the lotus coming into the sunlight.

    The short answer is yes there is still much pretense, however, there is also much more openness, realizing-seeing that being honest, is a most special gift one can offer to others, to oneself be true.

    While these words privately shared, beyond the reach of those near, beyond my own confrontation with the world, they inform and nurture self-confidence and understanding. The human condition we all live within is complex. I am no different, but unique.

    It has been some fifteen or sixteen years since leaving married life. I recall one evening, some six months prior to that albeit sad yet important day, of asking (...late one evening and somewhat out of the blue, gingerly yet sincerely and searchingly...) what she would think, say if I was homosexual. The question met with a silence, a smile and a dismissal. We each returned to the pages of our books, never spoken of again. Soon after, under the pretense of not keeping her awake with my snoring, I began sleeping on the couch. The 'magic' and the desire gone. Was that my first coming out I wonder.

    My mother too, I am sure at times, as we've sat watching TV on occasions, when programs close to the mark we shared, my reactions one of care to cover the joy and the phobia grappled with internally; the learnt behavior and the mask to cover, I'm sure all seen through, a woman's intuition, a mother misses little in our makeup.

    While my partner of recent years often says of me, though outwardly masculine and all it entails, she says I am quite feminine in many ways, my likes, tastes, for art, for flowers, conversations, interests soft, care for others expressed so much more like that a woman.

    And of women, I enjoy much the warmth of friendships. Yet in closeness, in intimacy, there has always been facade in my manner. Never quite fully engaged.

    Pretense still there yes without doubt, it has though lessoned. I find a gentleness much closer to me. Not saying 'hey by the way I'm gay' (thought I do long to be open...to smile and say yes, and would you pass me the butter...), but rather, letting deeper feelings rise naturally, my personality simply to flower in my actions. Is it the right way, is there a wrong way. I feel not.

    And in these words, in these thoughts shared, in this communication, comes unfolding, opening. Embracing pretense till its presence, is but reflection, then gone. Who am I. Does it matter what label there might be, it is I feel a journey more than a destination.
     
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    At some point you'll want to come out to your partner. The good news is that you aren't married, so it will be less traumatic than ending a marriage. See Preparing to come out to your spouse as gay.

    I would be remiss if I didn't ask the tough question of why did you seek out another heterosexual relationship if the basis of ending your marriage was the question if you were homosexual ... especially given that you found relief sleeping on the couch. The goal of answering the question is to understand yourself such that you don't repeat the (apparent) mistake, rather than to prompt a self-shaming written in beautiful prose.
     
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    Your prose helps you organize your thoughts. And what you just wrote makes it clear you well in touch with yourself and recognize your holding yourself back.

    So what prose can you write to get you to move forward?