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Dads from previous relationships support group

Discussion in 'LGBT Later in Life' started by SmokeandMirrors, Mar 9, 2013.

  1. SmokeandMirrors

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    Hey fellow fellas here, firstly I'm making this thread her rather than in family, friends etc because I think it is better suited but if it should go into the other category then please teleport it thanks admins.

    So, I was thinking that maybe it would be nice and beneficial to have a thread going for guys who are dads from a previous relationship to have a dedicated place to chat, share, get support with other people in similar situations. Obviously this will be a very niche thread but I'd welcome people who have vicariously experienced events pertaining to dads from earlier relationships (maybe we need a name lol...).

    Here's a little bit about my fatherly background then to kick things off and also my reason for setting this up:

    I was with my ex for 4 years. We had our first pregnancy 6 months into the relationship; we were living together as she had moved countys and had discussed having a baby...it just happened a bit sooner than we expected. Unfortunately, we lost our first baby at 22 weeks due to a complication with a blood disorder my ex had.
    That led to a very difficult 10 months of trying for a second pregnancy and fertility treatment. During this time we found out that both my sister and her brother (seperate relationships) were expecting, which made trying all the harder. However, we were successful around the time my nephew was born :slight_smile:.
    It really did go a bit downhill from there though as my ex had developed a great deal of paranoia with regards to my parents. During her grievance from the miscarriage she had become very withdrawn, self-harmed, low-self esteem. It was a trying time but I never left her side and we got through it. However, she did develop issues with my parents, which caused problems and consequently ended up with them having restricted access to seeing my son. I didn't agree with it but, at the time, I wasn't strong enough to completely stand up against her for fear of losing my son at such a young age.

    That's the important bit of background out of the way. It's necessary to understand the next part.
    My ex and I agreed to do our best to be amicable for the sake of our son when we split, and to an extent we have done. I have let her try to have her little jibes about what fantastic things she gets up to with him, where they have been, what he has done. I know she is grieving for our lost 4 year relationship so I am letting the things she says slide. I am just happy at being able to spend whatever time I can with my boy (who is 20 months old sorry for not mentioning that earlier). Here are a few examples of the knife-twists she attempts:
    - saying that she is going to places we talking about going to as a family when we were a family (which is fine, why wouldn't she still go there) but when I ask if she had a good time there, there is always an excuse as to why she didn't go that 'planned' day with her friend and their children. Leading me to believe she is making it up...well she is but meh.
    - She had a little barney at me the other day because I took him to play with my friend's grandchildren. Apparently I'm supposed to spend dedicated one-to-one time with him and he's not allowed to socialise with other children whilst in my care?!
    - We had our very first arguement since we split the other night on the phone (I've let everything slide so far). I am attempting to build bridges with my parents and would like them to see my son, their grandson. This is a post for another day but it was the first time I have actually put my foot down with her and tell her that if I want my parents to see my son then they will do.

    The thing that has really prompted me to make this thread, though, happened during an phonecall a couple of hours ago. I have gotten her a mother's day gift and card from my son and arranged to go tomorrow to take it for her. She called me earlier asking if I wanted to meet up and drop the present off and take my son to the park. This would have been fine had it not been going dark in the next 10 minutes (she knew this). Anyway I said I would come tomorrow and then she begins with her 'power control' thing wanting the whens and wheres because, apparently, she is going out with her very unreliable friend in the evening. I told her I will drop it in and let her know when I am going. Then I asked if I could take my son out to the play centre one evening this week after work. She countered this by informing me that she has joined this 'single parents' group and that they are very busy so she will have to see if he will be free. :eusa_liar

    This felt like the straw that broke the camel's back to me though. I'm just so tired of her trying to maintain completely control and use my son as a weapon to hurt me. All I want to do is spend time with him and be the best dad I can and she is attempting to sabotage it at every turn. I'm so fed up of all the jibes and posturing and control-mongering. I am trying to turn a blind-eye/deaf-ear but it's nearly enough at the moment when I feel like giving in and it upsets me because I don't want that at all.:tears: I completely love my son and do not regret anything about him.

    I'm so sorry for the very lengthy post but for those people who take the time to read it and share their stories also, know that you will get the same responses and respect for your stories as you have given me by looking here. Hopefully we can lift each others' spirits and have a place to just come and post if you are feeling a bit low with it at the time.
     
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    Hi, I'm moving this to the "Later in Life" section, because dealing with coming out from heterosexual marriages or relationships with children is one of the issues we created that for. I think you will get better responses from people there.

    I'm sorry you are going through this, and I'll respond more thoroughly in a bit.
     
  3. SmokeandMirrors

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    That's great thanks. I did wonder, upon seeing the new later in life sectiom, whether I would fall into that category. Makes me feel old lol sorry to the offense to thos chaps and chapettes considerably older than I. (*hug*)
     
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    Hi,

    Sorry about all your troubles.

    I assume there are legal guardianship and visitation orders in place. I would understand those and exercise them and report non-compliance.

    You are in a tough spot.

    What are your legal options?

    Stuck
     
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    I'm so sorry you're going through this too. I can only offer you moral support, but I agree with Stuck in thinking you might think about legal options ... at least the threat of them maybe?

    In the meantime, feel free to dump on our shoulders at any time!
     
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    I have the same question. Was there a legal separation agreement put in place? Are there formal custody arragements? If not, perhaps there should be.

    Before going down the 'legal' path, what about establishing fixed and predictable visitation times? You have him every other Saturday and every other Thursday night - or something like that. (It could be more frequent - just offering an example.) Then there are no excuses from your ex. Establish set pick up and drop off times - and stick to them.

    That is what has helped me - the routine is predictable and therefore there aren't any discussions or arguments about it.
     
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    Hang in there. This sh*t seems to be par for the course for so many of us guys -- its tends to be MUCH worse shortly after the split. Hell, there were days I'd pray that my exWife would be struck dead.

    It does get better. Stick to your boundaries -- and really, don't make a big stink unless its a significant thing. Believe me, tension in you (or her) your boy will feel it.

    I also found that keeping most exchanges to email helped to defuse things. Just compose. Wait a while. Reread and edit, THEN send.

    Remember your boy is paramount. That also means that he has time with you.

    hugs

    (and I'm in for the bi/gay Dad's thread thing)
     
  8. SmokeandMirrors

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    Thanks so much for the support all. The main intention of this was really a bit of a 'circle of gay dad love' kinda thing but im so happy that people have shown an interest in what is my bit of a crap time at the moment.

    I'll just clarify that, at present, there are no legal procedures in place as my ex and I would (although i'm doubtful at the moment on her part) like to try and remain amicable for our son's sake. I'd like to try and keep it this way for I don't want an atmosphere being created at my son's home whenever my name's mentioned if it goes legal but I will pursue it if, given time, she doesn't become a bit more co-operative.

    I think, Jim, that I am going to have to sort something out a bit more routine. I was having him every other weekend whilst she worked but now she has changed her shifts, which messes it up for me. So I think i'll do that.

    Thanks very much Pete. You're one of the members that came to mind when I made this thread. I really have taken her crap and let her think she is playing her mind games so far because all I care about is my son. But if dancing to her tune is going to cause trouble then I'll speak out like I had to the other night.

    I did call by earlier though and drop her off her mother's day card and prezzies from our son (surely I'm not that much of an asshole to her then, you'd think).

    Do you think we should make a specific thread under that title then? Where we can just drop in and see how thing's are going in our everyday father life?
    'bi/gay Dad's chatgroup'
     
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    my former wife and i mediated our parenting agreement.(the friendly co-operative way)let her know it benefits her to have all his stuffon paper !
     
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    Any updated?
     
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    Hi all, sorry to see this thread die, I'll stop in soon and see what I can offer as a revival. Share my story as a single closeted gay dad. Keep well
     
  12. SmokeandMirrors

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    *thread revitalised*

    My apologises for my leave of abscence guys. I ended up very swamed down with work on my training course and unfortunately it left very little time for anything else on the computor. Once work was done on it I couldn't bear to touch it any longer for the night lol.

    So how are we all doing here? Lionel please feel free to share your experiences. I will shortly update myself on what's been going on but know that everything has panned out a lot better than it was at the time of forming this thread.

    I aim to keep it going if possible because I'm sure there are plenty of gay/bi Dads who would like somewhere to talk.
     
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    Hi SmokeandMirrors,

    It's a good idea to have a place for fathers. My kids are a little older but things are difficult at the moment because we are trying to get to a final settlement and such negotiations always leave a bitter taste.

    The "she's" will do what they can to extract revenge for all the lost years, as some sort of compensation, as if they were but passive entities when it came to getting married and having kids...anyway, just venting...
     
  14. SmokeandMirrors

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    Hey Greatwhale,

    So sorry for the tardiness. I see where you are coming from there; they ex's get into a mindset that your were just 'playing the straight game' or 'experimenting'. As if we would just toy with people's live like that, especially children. You can't help being who you are and if you wanted to give it a shot, then what right does somebody have to say no? I'm so glad I got the opportunity.

    Unfortunately, things have gone stale for me too and I put in for mediation a couple of weeks ago as I couldn't even see my son on his 2nd birthday due to false allegations made about me that required me to get the police involved. Got a first meeting at the end of the month so fingers crossed it goes well. I no longer fear that she can dictate what happens when I have my son so I feel better there but I just want something more official sorting out.
     
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    No worries about tardiness! It's all good.

    Yes indeed, it will be important to set rules so that you don't have to negotiate everything all the time. What a cruel thing to do, keeping your son away from you on his birthday. I'm glad you put a stop to that! She thinks she's hurting you, but she's hurting your son...

    Mediation will be tough, but stand your ground and give in only where it makes sense (and if you can, get something in return for giving something). Always have your child's best interest at heart, repeat that often so that it is clear what your intentions are, and everyone will be better off.
     
  16. James88

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    Hi,

    I just came across your post on the internet as I was searching (for some unknown reason!) for bisexual/gay dad's. I'm a bisexual Dad (and happy) and was just wondering how it's going for you as I see the tread seems to have died somewhat. I also notice you live in Glossop (I live in Hollingworth). I have a beautiful daughter (now 7 months old) and am 'daddy day care' in the afternoons as myself and partner (Emma) both work at home.

    It would be really nice to hear from you and I hope things have calmed down somewhat in your life and that you're able to be the Dad you want to be. By the way, I admire that you're clearly another wonderful Dad out there and are making your son your priority!

    Take Care
    James
     
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    Welcome, James. This thread is over a year old, and the poster hasn't been on EC since Semtepber, so it's questionable whether he's likely to see your post. But I'd encourage you to start a new thread and talk about your experiences and get to know the community here :slight_smile:
     
  18. James88

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    Hi Chip,

    Thanks for the message, I tried to send the poster of this thread a private message but the site won't let me at the moment. When will I be able to do that please?

    Best wishes
    James