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Wait, what? Did I just tell a whole bunch of people that I'm gay? Uh-oh.

Discussion in 'LGBT Later in Life' started by wrhla, Apr 28, 2013.

  1. wrhla

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    Can somebody hold my hand. I'm having the same sort of panic I had back in February. All the hair-splitting about gay vs. bi, the argument between what I want to be true and what I know is true.

    Since coming out (once again) as gay to my wife yesterday, I have told a few of the same friends as I told last time, before I ran for cover.

    And this time, when my friend asked how I could possibly know I was going without actually having had sex with a man, I told her in very abbreviated form some of what I posted in my long post a couple of days ago. She said everybody has homosexual fantasies, and I said that about 90 percent of my erotic fantasies were homosexual and I told her about all the gay porn I have looked at and about how when I smoked dope in college I would get anxious until I surrendered to homosexual fantasies and masturbated, and how I came very, very close to having sex with men on several occasions. I think she believes me now.

    And I kind have to keep repeating all of these things to myself, because I'm looking for an out, a way to dismiss it all once again as somehow not true or important and that I'm just a little on the bi side, a Kinsey 2, rather than a 5, which is closer to the truth. Does anybody out there have any great rationalizations I can borrow for a few days? Multiple personality disorder? A need to call attention to myself by making up extravagant fictions about sexual escapades?

    Somebody talk me down off this ledge.

    On the other hand, at dinner, my wife and I talked about gay stereotypes and internalized homophobia. Her closest friend is a gay man and she has become supportive of gay causes—e.g., a shelter for gay runaways. I've actually been thinking of suggesting that she and I get involved in something like that together. I can imagine counseling young people who are struggling with coming out.

    Okay, rant over. Move along. Everybody go about your business.

    Bill
     
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  2. Cool Bananas

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    Maybe its a case of this person getting their head around someone who they thought was straight and is now telling them that they are gay, they a probably in a bit of shock. Its like being told one thing and you think that sets your views and then someone comes along and changes the goal posts and then they have to reevaluate things.

    I think the reason why we are all here is because we are somewhere on the 3-5 on the Kinsey scale, if we were at either end we wouldn't need to be here.

    We are here for you; even if to give a reason why you feel this way, but it always helps to put thoughts down on paper.

    Now I should cook dinner.
     
  3. Rose27

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    The only person who you need to believe you is you! If you know in your heart your gay. Own it! Its not something to be intellectualized.
    I used to make excuses for my crushes on women. It was so freeing to admit to myself last summer that I had fallen hard for an unavailable woman. That I truly wanted this woman romantically/ sexually.
    Maybe your friend has some unresolved romantic feelings for you she doesn't want to admit to herself. Hugs Rose
     
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    Hi Bill

    Being a few steps behind you, I am so jealous you have been able to take some steps in the direction your heart is telling you to follow. I am still trying to gather the courage to live the life I truly want.

    I am here for you, as we all are. I encourage you to write as often as you need support.

    Get down off the ledge and remember your EC friends are here for you now, knowing you will be there for us when we need the support as well.

    Robert
     
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    Hi, as the poster above said, we're all here for you and we are all here for each other. This is a difficult journey for all of us and knowing we aren't alone makes it a little easier.

    Regarding your friend: Straight people just don't understand, end of story. They always try to tell you it's a faze, or everybody gets homosexual thoughts from time to time. It's just because they don't understand how we can be attracted to people of the same sex. They don't realise that we find it just as incomprehensible that they can be attracted to members of the opposite sex. It's always worth keeping in mind though, that acknowledging and accepting yourself as gay has no doubt taken you a long and difficult time. It's not reasonable to expect other people to get used to in five minutes, that which has taken you much longer to accept.

    Try to keep in mind that you are working towards a time when you can be yourself and live the life that you need to live. I know how hard this is and I know what a whirlwind of emotions you're going through, up one minute down the next. As somebody told me the other day: 'It's a difficult journey you're on. The important thing though is that you're on it.'
     
  6. wrhla

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    Hi everyone, thanks for the comments.

    The pattern seems to be that I wake up and think, "oh god, what have i done?" Then I have doubts and want to run back for the safety of the closet. But I have tried to be ruthlessly honest with myself and, as much as possible, with the people I have come out to, thus leaving me little leeway in my retreat. I'm out for good, and couldn't go back even if I wanted to.

    My fear slowly recedes and my acceptance returns. My wife is supportive. I'm gay and happy. Today, I decided that I should also give up a kind of closet of being out but invisible. I want to get involved perhaps at the L.A. Gay and Lesbian Center. I didn't think I was heading in this direction, but I'm recognizing the importance of gay pride, and I think it's important for someone like me, who could go on easily without calling attention to my homosexuality, to show a bit of the rainbow flag.

    When I was in college, I saw someone with a button that said, "How dare you presume I'm heterosexual." I always secretly wanted to be able to wear one of those buttons. None of which is to say that I want to make all of this the center of my existence. But I don't want to keep it at a distance either.
     
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    I think you're being a bit unfair there. I know plenty of straight people who would never say that sort of thing.

    Many straight people don't get it, but in my opinion it's because they don't want to get it, not because they can't.
     
  8. wrhla

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    I agree, Etinna. My friend has no problem understanding that people are gay. But we have been friends for 40 years, including lovers for a brief spell, so for her to suddenly learn that there has been something this big that she didn't know about me is a bit of a shock.

    And she has some understanding of the closet mentality. She said to me a couple of years ago that figured her younger brother was gay but in complete denial, that he didn't recognize that he was gay.
     
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    My brother of 55 years had problems wrapping his head around my sexuality in February. It happens.
     
  10. wrhla

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    Yes, my brother will be the hardest one. He's my older brother, whom I idolized when I was a kid and tried to model myself after. I recognize now that that was a big part of my mistake. I wanted to be him instead of me.

    I don't think he'll freak, but it will take him awhile to get used to the idea. Actually, I think that he sort of suspected I was gay 30 years ago. He said something that I interpreted that way, which of course I took umbrage at. My wife also loves to recall the story of how, after my parents died, my brother and I were talking about various things like furniture, etc that we'd each like. When I said I wanted a transparent Lucite chair with a leather seat, he said "What are you, gay?"
     
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    I think what makes it difficult is that you have a heterosexual side, as you've mentioned. One thing I'm realizing is that our minds can make mountains out of molehills. I'm not saying you don't have a homosexual side, and possibly even that the homosexual side is predominant (90% of your fantasies are gay - I can't even begin to come close to that number, not at this time, at least). But I've noticed upon discovering my gay side, that it went crazy on me. And as time goes on, it kind of subsides. I feel like a Kinsey 3-ish right now. I know I'm attracted to women, and also to men. Just sometimes it depends on what degree I'm attracted to them, I guess. Maybe it will take time for everything to sort out. Have you tried mindfulness meditation? That kind of has made things a little easier for me. There are times I'm even thinking of marrying my girlfriend, because my mind is more settled, and I kind of feel more like a happy bisexual. For you Bill, maybe your mind will settle a little (or just go for a walk or have some fun - movie, socialize, whatever), and you will feel more comfortable in whatever skin you are in, gay or bi, or whatever.
     
  12. wrhla

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    I'm happy as "gay" now. Thanks to EC. I didn't use to think it quite suited me, but I now think it does quite well. I'm not letting my ongoing attraction to women deceive me anymore. It turns out you can find women very attractive but still be basically gay. I think that's where I'm at.