Second Class Citizens - Empty Closets - A safe online community for gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered people coming out

Nazo · 16th Jan 2012, 06:43 PM

+ YouTube Video

A powerful video/ preview of a documentary that is in the works.

Random Dent · 16th Jan 2012, 07:16 PM

Quite powerful indeed.

Fintan · 16th Jan 2012, 07:26 PM

Wow. Powerful clip.

thecat06 · 16th Jan 2012, 10:06 PM

I just posted this on facebook... it's a really powerful video. It shows how far we have come, but how far we still have to go.

alex2020 · 16th Jan 2012, 10:31 PM

I'll just echo what's already been said - powerful. Powerful indeed.

Nightmaric · 17th Jan 2012, 01:50 PM

I cried. It was beautiful.

**Chip** · 17th Jan 2012, 01:55 PM

I started another thread because I didn't see this one. The filmmaker (same guy that directed and performed in the brilliantly funny "California Guys" music video parody) is raising money to finish the documentary and has a Kickstarter page.

nebenebe · 19th Jan 2012, 06:12 PM

I haven't cried this much since I watched Milk. Truly amazing, and I hope it gets funded.

Revan · 19th Jan 2012, 07:21 PM

I didn't cry through most of it, but the ending broke me....

No One · 19th Jan 2012, 09:22 PM

I watched it on facebook today and it literally took my breath away. I got very close to coming out on facebook right after I watched it.

shfh · 19th Jan 2012, 09:58 PM

Ellen Degeneres tweeted it ... I watched it multiple times, and everytime it is just as powerful.

dairyuu · 19th Jan 2012, 09:59 PM

Wow. That was......powerful. It's odd to see a 7-or-so minute clip that simultaneously tell you that you're not as human as others and reaffirms your right to everything other people have. I can't wait for the film!

Aareon · 20th Jan 2012, 04:07 AM

Woah, mind blown. Such a good Video. This needs to be more well known. Like Woah.

Metal · 20th Jan 2012, 04:25 AM

Excellent video, thats all I have to say.

Gravity Defyer · 20th Jan 2012, 05:35 AM

This brings tears to my eyes. I hope narrow-minded homophobes could watch this and change the way they think.

Robert · 20th Jan 2012, 05:55 AM

“How many more gay people does God have to create before we ask ourselves if he wants them around?” is possibly the dumbest argument for gay rights that I have ever heard.

It completely misunderstands the prevailing anti-gay attitude of the Christian right. Why do you think that they can not let go of the concept that being gay is a choice? Its because they believe that being gay is a sin in the same way as being a thief is a sin, in the same way as they believe that being a murderer is a sin. Homosexuality, during Biblical times, was seen as straight men/women engaging in perverted sex with other straight men/women.

So, when you say "How many more gay people does God have to create before we ask ourselves if he wants them around?" you may as well be saying "How many more thieves does God have to create before we ask ourselves if he wants them around?".
It doesnt make any sense to the people who you are trying to convince.

End.

sanguine · 20th Jan 2012, 07:09 AM

and the Christians throughout EC wonder why many of us are atheists (im not btw)

Doctor Faustus · 22nd Jan 2012, 04:33 AM

I was angry and moved. I nearly cried.

mnguy · 22nd Jan 2012, 06:14 PM

I was moved by this vid as well.

I think the, “How many more gay people does God have to create before we ask ourselves if He wants them around?” question will get the moderate people thinking about whether God is really against gay people. Sadly, nothing short of a suicide of a child will get some people to reconsider their beliefs, like in Prayers for Bobby. We don't need those people to get majority support (not that we should need it for equal civil rights and I would love for those people's hearts to soften enough to see the good in our love), but the religious movable middle can come to see us as a part of God's plan since we keep growing up to be gay, at no one's fault. We just are and we deserve full and equal rights. I believe some people will realize that if they hear that quote, they're close to a gay person and they give it some serious contemplation.

MusicMan12 · 22nd Jan 2012, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No One

I watched it on facebook today and it literally took my breath away. I got very close to coming out on facebook right after I watched it.

OMG me toooo....but as always, I chickened out :P lol

16th Jan 2012, 07:16 PM	#2
Random Dent Liebe ist für alle da! Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: La la la ladies Out Status: I don't care who knows Location: California Age: 27 Posts: 1,692 Join Date: Feb 2011	Re: Second Class Citizens Quite powerful indeed. __________________ No government has the right to tell its citizens when or whom to love. The only queer people are those who don't love anybody Rita Mae Brown

16th Jan 2012, 07:26 PM	#3
Fintan EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: My Family & some Friends! Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 28 Posts: 540 Join Date: Aug 2010	Re: Second Class Citizens Wow. Powerful clip.

16th Jan 2012, 10:06 PM	#4
thecat06 EC's Biggest LNJF and SNL fan!! Full Member Gender: Let's say Pangender! Orientation: Let's say gay!! Out Status: Out to parents, campus, and 75 friends on facebook Location: Central and Northern Ohio Age: 19 Posts: 2,504 Join Date: Jun 2011	Re: Second Class Citizens I just posted this on facebook... it's a really powerful video. It shows how far we have come, but how far we still have to go. __________________ So many years have passed, since I proclaimed my independence, my mission, my aim, and my vision, so secure, content to live each day like it's my last, it's wonderful to know, that I could be, something more than what I dreamed, far beyond what I could see -Dream Theater

16th Jan 2012, 10:31 PM	#5
alex2020 EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Everybody important, and anybody who asks. Location: Florida Age: 19 Posts: 1,437 Join Date: Aug 2011	Re: Second Class Citizens I'll just echo what's already been said - powerful. Powerful indeed. __________________ “Be yourself. Above all, let who you are, what you are, what you believe, shine through every sentence you write, every piece you finish.”

17th Jan 2012, 01:50 PM	#6
Nightmaric Well Known Regular Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Eleven friends, immediate family, Councellor Location: Ohio Age: 16 Posts: 107 Join Date: Aug 2011	Re: Second Class Citizens I cried. It was beautiful.

17th Jan 2012, 01:55 PM	#7
Chip EC Advisor EC Admin Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: northern CA Posts: 5,583 Join Date: May 2008	Re: Second Class Citizens I started another thread because I didn't see this one. The filmmaker (same guy that directed and performed in the brilliantly funny "California Guys" music video parody) is raising money to finish the documentary and has a Kickstarter page.

19th Jan 2012, 06:12 PM	#8
nebenebe Watch the Sky, Feel the Wind Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Lafayette, Louisiana, USA, North America, Earth Posts: 108 Join Date: Jul 2010	Re: Second Class Citizens I haven't cried this much since I watched Milk. Truly amazing, and I hope it gets funded. __________________ -Robert Fulghum : "I believe that imagination is stronger than knowledge - myth is more potent than history - dreams are more powerful than facts - hope always triumphs over experience - laughter is the cure for grief - love is stronger than death."

19th Jan 2012, 07:21 PM	#9
Revan EC Addict Full Member Gender: M for MEEP! Orientation: Mutant and Proud Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 24 Posts: 6,569 Join Date: Jun 2005	Re: Second Class Citizens I didn't cry through most of it, but the ending broke me.... __________________ "Is there some reason my coffee isn't here? Has she died or something?" - Miranda Priestly. Strength is not defined by physical capacity, but by indomitable will. ~ Mahatma Gandhi Procrastination is like masturbation, in the end you just wind up screwing yourself.

19th Jan 2012, 09:22 PM	#10
No One Eternally Male Crazed! Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Unofficially out to everyone but my family. Age: 18 Posts: 1,021 Join Date: Oct 2008	Re: Second Class Citizens I watched it on facebook today and it literally took my breath away. I got very close to coming out on facebook right after I watched it. __________________

19th Jan 2012, 09:58 PM	#11
shfh Well Known Full Member Gender: female ... maybe Orientation: Lesbit Out Status: really, you can't tell? Location: Canada Age: 23 Posts: 204 Join Date: Jan 2012	Re: Second Class Citizens Ellen Degeneres tweeted it ... I watched it multiple times, and everytime it is just as powerful.

19th Jan 2012, 09:59 PM	#12
dairyuu Japan-obsessed Regular Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Everyone I care about (minus some family/friends) Location: Los Angeles, unfortunately Posts: 119 Join Date: Jan 2012	Re: Second Class Citizens Wow. That was......powerful. It's odd to see a 7-or-so minute clip that simultaneously tell you that you're not as human as others and reaffirms your right to everything other people have. I can't wait for the film! __________________ Aide oh Seigneur, aide les miens J'implore ta clémence, pour ceux qui n'on rien Dieu aide les exclus, les pauvres et les gueux Puisque nous sommes tous les enfants de Dieu

20th Jan 2012, 04:07 AM	#13
Aareon Pokemon Master Full Member Gender: Genderqueer Orientation: Pansexual Out Status: Noone cares anyway haha Location: Australia, Sydney Age: 14 Posts: 172 Join Date: Jan 2012	Re: Second Class Citizens Woah, mind blown. Such a good Video. This needs to be more well known. Like Woah.

20th Jan 2012, 04:25 AM	#14
Metal (っ◕‿◕)っ Full Member Gender: MtF Orientation: Bisexual Out Status: A few people Location: Canada, NB Age: 24 Posts: 199 Join Date: Jan 2012	Re: Second Class Citizens Excellent video, thats all I have to say.

20th Jan 2012, 05:35 AM	#15
Gravity Defyer Wicked Regular Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Some people. I realized number doesn't matter Posts: 45 Join Date: Jul 2011	Re: Second Class Citizens This brings tears to my eyes. I hope narrow-minded homophobes could watch this and change the way they think. __________________ I'm through with playing by the rules of someone else's game

20th Jan 2012, 05:55 AM	#16
Robert EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male ♂ Orientation: Gay Out Status: Some people Location: World Posts: 971 Join Date: Jun 2011	Re: Second Class Citizens “How many more gay people does God have to create before we ask ourselves if he wants them around?” is possibly the dumbest argument for gay rights that I have ever heard. It completely misunderstands the prevailing anti-gay attitude of the Christian right. Why do you think that they can not let go of the concept that being gay is a choice? Its because they believe that being gay is a sin in the same way as being a thief is a sin, in the same way as they believe that being a murderer is a sin. Homosexuality, during Biblical times, was seen as straight men/women engaging in perverted sex with other straight men/women. So, when you say "How many more gay people does God have to create before we ask ourselves if he wants them around?" you may as well be saying "How many more thieves does God have to create before we ask ourselves if he wants them around?". It doesnt make any sense to the people who you are trying to convince. End. __________________ "I am like a mirror that dares not be what nature made it, but feels obligated, always, to reflect what surrounds it." - Frederick II of Prussia. "England is a Prison" - Gerrard Winstanley

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20th Jan 2012, 07:09 AM	#17
sanguine a cow Full Member Gender: cow Orientation: cows Out Status: i dont care Location: Sydney Australia Age: 18 Posts: 449 Join Date: Sep 2011	Re: Second Class Citizens and the Christians throughout EC wonder why many of us are atheists (im not btw) __________________ The most pathetic person in the world is someone who has sight but has no vision. Value yourself. The only people who appreciate a doormat are people with dirty shoes

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22nd Jan 2012, 06:14 PM	#19
mnguy EC Regular Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: People likely assume Location: MN Age: 36 Posts: 895 Join Date: Nov 2006	Re: Second Class Citizens I was moved by this vid as well. I think the, “How many more gay people does God have to create before we ask ourselves if He wants them around?” question will get the moderate people thinking about whether God is really against gay people. Sadly, nothing short of a suicide of a child will get some people to reconsider their beliefs, like in Prayers for Bobby. We don't need those people to get majority support (not that we should need it for equal civil rights and I would love for those people's hearts to soften enough to see the good in our love), but the religious movable middle can come to see us as a part of God's plan since we keep growing up to be gay, at no one's fault. We just are and we deserve full and equal rights. I believe some people will realize that if they hear that quote, they're close to a gay person and they give it some serious contemplation.