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16 year old looking at transexual/gay porn? What should I do?

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  1. itzme

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    Hi, wondering if you could give me some insight. My 16 year old son (I am his Mother) has been looking at large amounts of transexual porn online. Mixed in is some amount of gay porn, and a smattering of heterosexual. I would say that it runs about 70 percent trans/25 percent gay and 5 percent straight.

    I have noticed gay porn on and off for about 2 years, and I am pretty sure he masterbates anally. He has not had a serious girlfriend and does not seem interested in girls (or boys in real life either).

    So when I noticed this interest 2 years ago, I brought it up once, said that it was ok to look at whatever, that part of growing was interest in all things, and that if he had any questions about his sexuality I would answer them in an accepting way.

    About a week ago I again brought it up, said I had seen his browser history. Mentioned that I had seen similar stuff about two years ago, and if he was interested that was ok, and whatever he was orientation wise his father and I accepted and loved him. As a family we are liberal, welcoming and open. All my children have never head a word against anyones sexual orientation, so I repeated that as well.

    However, I am a Mom talking to my 16 year old about sex, and that is not a good combination. He denied it, and said he was not gay, or transexual. I did not push, just said that we loved him and we would accept him if he was.

    What do I do? Do I let it go? Let him say it when he is ready? Is he gay or is this a normal phase for teenage boys?

    I am worried that he is confused, and it could lead to depression (he is depressed right now). I want to make sure that he does not feel alone. I am guessing it is a hard thing to come to terms with, even though society has changed it is not was the default is and there are many who are hostile and unkind.

    We live in a large liberal city (outskirts of DC) so there are many resources if he does come out.

    I read that some straight men are attracted to transexuals, so I don't know what to make of that.

    Thanks
     
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    Hello and welcome, itzme! We're glad you're here.

    Honestly, at this point I would advise you to let it be. If you keep asking him about it or implying that you believe he is gay, it could lead to him feeling pressured and shutting you out. If he is in denial, he might not like others seeing him as anything except straight. It's quite possible that he's gay, but he has to be able to accept and be comfortable in that himself before he can come out to you, no matter how accepting you are.

    Remember, it's also possible that he really is straight and just has unusual porn interests for a straight guy, in which case asking him about it further could frustrate him. You've done all you can and there are other resources available to him too. You are a very good parent.
     
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    Couldn't have put it better myself ^ Listen to this guy
     
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    Fiddle makes good points, the last thing you want is for him to shut you out completely!

    There are two points I want to make, along with a couple of questions you don't have to answer if you don't want to.

    The first concerns this depression. Now, you say he is depressed, I have to ask, is this something he has told you, or something you've noticed (either are valid it's just useful to know where your son is in his own mind). If HE has mentioned it, is he getting help with it?

    The second involves the porn. "He denied it, and said he was not gay, or transexual" I'm going to assume you know this already, but I have to cover all bases here, even if he's looking at trans porn, it doesn't necessarily make him trans himself.

    "I read that some straight men are attracted to transexuals, so I don't know what to make of that." I apologise in advance for this because it might be...well not graphic as such, but possibly not the kind of discussion you would perhaps WANT, but it might shed some light.

    There are a couple of things about trans porn that make it different from straight and gay porn.

    The first is that for the most part, trans pornstars are STUNNING. It seems far more common to see an absolutely beautiful trans porn star than in straight porn...I don't know why this is, might be just something I've noticed and everyone else disagrees, but still.

    The second is the content. Again I generalise, but it is my experience that where-as straight porn gives you about 2 seconds before the sexing begins, trans porn seems to...I don't know...tease(?) more...there;s a playfulness in some of it that you don't seem to get elsewhere...maybe your son likes that...

    Alternatively, perhaps your son IS questioning, but trans porn is a comfortable area where he can explore it without labelling himself as gay before he has to. Watching two guys going at it? Totally gay! Watching a girl (who happens to have a penis)...more of a grey area if your questioning...

    I'll bet that was a fun read, but now you're through it...at least you've told him you'll support him whatever, just let him figure it out in his own time. To be honest if it were me I'd be more worried that my parents had realised I was looking at porn (because no child of my mothers would EVER do something so revolting!) than anything else!
     
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    He has just told me that he is depressed and he realizes he has been for a long time. He is going to get treatment for it. He also has addiction issues and we are getting help for that as well. I am concerned that an inability to come to grips with his sexuality is driving the above.

    He could just have off beat interest and that I will leave alone. Even though I don't like porn (for moral reasons-mostly I find it exploitive, unrealistic, and rather morally bleak), I realize that teen boys really like it.
     
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    Actually girls do as well.
     
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    Personally, I'd be more concerned about the fact that he watches porn than the kind of porn he watches. It's a pretty well-known fact that people's porn-watching habits often do not correlate with their own sexual preferences. It's also pretty well-known that porn is detrimental to people's perception of sex, especially social, but possibly also biological.

    It seems that your son has issues to deal with, so I'd say forget the trans thing since he's already told you he's not trans, and deal with the more pressing problems.

    Good luck.
     
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    It is almost a certainty that the addiction issues are self-medicating for the depression and for whatever his sexual confusion is. If I were to wild guess, based on what you said, I'd guess he is gay, but that isn't really important to the situation at present.

    It's really good that he's opening up that he's depressed. Given what's going on, therapy (with a psychologist or social worker, NOT a psychiatrist) is probably going to be his best option, as medication isn't going to do anything but band-aid the underlying issue.

    If he's open to at least acknowledging that he might be questioning his sexuality, I'd suggest maybe seeing if he'd be open to checking out EmptyClosets and see if he'd feel comfortable joining here and talking about what he's feeling. Honestly, given what you've said above, that might, by itself, do more for his depression than anything else, including therapy.

    We can, if you wish, remove this thread if he decides to join to avoid any awkwardness for him.
     
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    Pornography is an important subject for children and parents alike.

    My Mother thankfully never brought it up, nor did she look at my browsing history since it was private and not her property or right to investigate. To that end, I am infinitely grateful she never brought up sex. It is a topic I have no wish to ever talk about with my parents.

    Sex, in my opinion (and thus, pornography), is a path that is yours to walk, and yours alone.
     
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    He told me that at one time he questioned his direction of sexuality, but now he was sure he was not gay. Not sure if that is a truthful statement or just something to say to make himself feel better. I was not sure how to take the statement in view of the extensive porn viewing (not heterosexual) and repeated that we loved him.
     
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    Best you can do(regarding his probably not so straight sexual orientation) is be openly supportive of the gay community. When a related issue comes up don't be afraid to voice your support. If he really is gay or bi, this will help him not only come to terms with it but also be more open about talking about it with you.. Wish you all the best :slight_smile:
     
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    Of course there is always the chance that he genuinely isn't gay but happens to enjoy trans porn. No reason he couldn't identify as straight and still find something he likes about a penis...
     
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    I definitely agree about the therapy no matter what. However, medication can also be good when paired with therapy. Regardless, therapy should be pursued no matter what, as it's truly invaluable. I felt the need to point out that medication can be effective as an adjunct to therapy.

    Disclaimer: I am not a professional. One other thing to consider is that medication for treating depression (Probably an SSRI...) have a wide range of side effects. They're also a bit shady on people who aren't adults yet (Most notably, a potential increase in suicidal ideation...). However, they're an option to consider, paired with therapy, as the two are very, very helpful for some individuals. It could be about whether it's truly worth it or not... and if your son does start to take medication for this, it's important that he's seen regularly when he first starts it out, and that he knows what things to look out for while taking it.

    It's very hard to tell if the medication is helping or not for some people. In my experience, I honestly am not sure if it was of assistance at all. It potentially could have been detrimental... or not. Who knows? I certainly don't, and my doctors did and do not, either.
     
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    Sorry but this nonsense. Porn isn't inherently detrimental. Not the least because there are various kinds of pornography.
     
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    Must agree. Especially when you consider the things mentioned in Ellia's post earlier. And, I agree with her, trans porn (or as it's usually marketed "shemale" porn) has a huge teasing aspect to it, to the point where that's almost more to that than when they actually have parts exposed doing things with them.
     
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    Well, my psychology textbooks disagree, but whatever. Even if it's all honky dory, it's called "adult matetial" for a reason, and IMO doesn't belong in the hands of a troubled teen who is already struggling with addiction. But that's up to his mom to decide what to do.
     
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    Porn, by its very nature is fantasy based. If it weren't it would be pretty darn boring.

    Most fantasies represent things we would never do in real life, but find titillating, and arousing to think about.

    Watching too much porn can be troubling if it is taking a great deal of a person's time, and it is serving as a replacement for other friendships or attachments. I would be tempted to say that if your son is depressed, then he may be feeling isolated. Porn is an open door to uncritical, instant intimacy with beautiful creatures of all shapes and sizes; a good way to feel a connection, even if it isn't real.

    Your first order of business is the depression. Therapy, with medication as a possible adjunct. That is something for a doctor to decide, though, not us.

    Good luck.
     
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    I'd like to see a citation for that.
    More-over you've now moved the goal posts from it being inherently deterimental, to being detrimental for troubled teens struggling with addiction. Many things are harmful for that particular group of people.

    From the APA btw:
     
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    While there's not a lot of solid evidence from scientific studies, I think you'll find that if you ask almost any therapist anywhere in the US (can't speak to other countries), they'll tell you that, based on their own clinical experiences with their clients, porn, with few exceptions, does tend to be detrimental because it sets up unreal expectations. And one of the most disturbing trends is that as younger children are exposed to porn more and more (a recent study I read indicated that something like 60% of males have been exposed to porn by age 11 or 12), the impact on the formation of norms, concepts, and expectations surrounding sex does cause problems in relationships.

    Now obviously, therapists are seeing a non-random sampling of the population, but there are enough other anecdotal indicators to tell us that porn is likely having a detrimental impact in a number of ways.

    As for Dr. Finkelhor's findings, I can agree pretty strongly that the wide availability of porn has also had some very positive influences on society. It's certainly taken sex and the discussion of sex out of the shadows, all but eliminated shame about masturbating (which used to be a huge problem, even 30 years ago), and had a positive impact in reducing the overall shame about talking about sex.

    So it's a mixed bag. But at least as far as anecdotal data, we definitely know that if nothing else, it skews perceptions of body image, penis size, and can negatively impact the perception of what emotionally healthy sexual relationships look like.

    Now... to get the thread back off track from the derail... itzme, I don't think you can do much right now toward helping your son come to a definitive conclusion about whatever his sexual orientation may be. You're certainly sending him the right messages, but remember it may not be just about *your* acceptance, but his own acceptance of himself and his internal shame in not wanting to accept himself that's driving the issue here. (Take a look at how many "I'm gay but I don't want to be" threads we have here at EC to give you an idea...)

    Therapy, conversation with people he trusts and can be open and vulnerable with (probably not his parents at this stage), and being willing to explore his feelings are the best thing he needs right now.

    While I'm not a licensed mental health professional, I do have some experience working with addict populations, and I reiterate the idea that, at this stage, antidepressants may not be the best idea as, by using them, you essentially band-aid over the real issue, and, additionally, depending on what drugs he's abusing, it is probably better to balance out his dopamine and serotonin systems from the drug use first, and consider the antidepressants later on. The only exception would be if he's so depressed that he's literally nonfunctional, but even there... that's likely a byproduct of the addiction, and most addictive drugs, even weed, essentially take a very delicate brain chemistry system (the serotonin and dopamine systems) and severely derange them. It's a bit like hitting a fine Swiss watch with a sledgehammer.

    SSRI antidepressants can be helpful for someone who is simply depressed; in many cases, adding SSRIs to someone who is in the process of detoxing from drug addiction can create a mess. Only a psychiatrist with extensive experience treating addiction should be making that sort of decision, and only after considering the ramifications.
     
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    That's what I pointed out, yes.

    Thing is these are people that need a therapist.
    Many people have perfectly healthy lives and relationships, whilst they also watch porn. These people therefore never visit a therapist for such issues.
    What I'm getting at that basing your views on porn on the experience of people visiting therapists is like basing your views on alcohol on people who go to AA meetings.


    It's not just non-random, it's heavily biased.
    I'd like to see some of these anecdotal indicators. Keep in mind thought that an appeal to anecdote is a logical fallacy.

    With certain people. I'd like to see some evidence that this is generally true though.
    Again appealing solely to anecdotes or biased samples like people who need a therapist is rather flawed.