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Update on my 12 year old son

Discussion in 'For Parents and Family Members of LGBT People' started by cann2014, Jul 30, 2014.

  1. cann2014

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    I thought I would update everyone on my son. For ease of writing this posting, I will refer to him as Mike instead of saying "my son" a bunch of times.

    Since many of you were so kind to take your time and reply to my posting from this weekend regarding finding Mike watching gay porn, I wanted to let you know how things are. He must have felt so much shame and hated himself for what he was doing, thinking something was wrong with him etc. etc. I am sure he felt many emotions about the situation. It was Saturday when we had our first conversation and he is a different child today. He is back to being the child I remember from two months ago.

    For the past two months he turned into a person that I had never seen before. He was very mean to me, would scream at me if I asked him more than one question in a 15 minute period (for example, what he wanted for breakfast). He even slapped me really hard in the face on two occasions. He never laughed or smiled like he used to.

    Since Monday (I think he needed two days to get over his embarrassment), he is back to his normal behavior. He is laughing, hasn't yelled at me or screamed at me. I hope that it lasts but he seems so much happier. What to get feedback from everyone who has been in his shoes (an adolescent boy going through puberty) what is your opinion on this change in behavior?
     
  2. I think he feels relieved to have it out in the open. I know that, since discovering my sexuality (along with being a teenager lol), my relationship with my mom has suffered. I'm slowly trying to repair it, but it's difficult without being out to her.

    Anyway, I think he's just happy to know that you're supportive and aren't mad at him for what he did. You seem like a really good mom, and I hope everything goes well. :slight_smile:
     
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    And this is probably opening up a whole new subject but I meant to let everyone know that I am not so sure how my husband would react if he found out he was gay.

    My husband is liberal and did vote for gay marriage in the last election. What gives me pause is that he mourned for 5 years when Mike stopped playing all sports. He still brings it up to me. It gets on my nerves. Mike does not like sports!! He needs to just get over it already. I think I have some grey hairs over the sports issue.
     
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    Totally agreed, as i'm trying to repair my relationship with my father too.
    Agreed too. If every mom worried about their kid like you are doing, the world would be so much better.
    He isn't totally against gays, so that's at least one good point!
    Its just my opinion, of course, but the sports thing is probably because he got an image of Mike's future he wishes to see on reality. Unfortunatelly, that may (or may not) include the wish to see his son married to a woman in the future.

    Personally, that's what caused most trouble between me and my father: He said to my mom, after i came out, that he always dreamed to see me, "his handsome son" (he needs glasses because i'm not handsome, but back to the topic...), married to a beautiful woman, and after i came out as a bissexual and told them i have a boyfriend, he realized his dream may not come true.

    If i'm right about this, then you should try to slowly convince him that your son may not follow all expectations, and that doesn't mean he will be unhappy in the future. You don't need to bring the sexuality issue for now, but peraphs sports expectation, job expectation (my father wanted me to be an engineer too, and i'll be a biologist :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: ), etc.
     
  5. C06122014

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    You shouldn't worry so much about your husband just bring up the topic(not your so. Being gay) of gay men and what he thinks about it and tell him that he should never expect someone to be heterosexual. I guess what I mean is just get him used to the idea. Bring up the topic show interest in it and show your husband that gay men should be accepted for who they are because IT IS NOT A CHOICE. When I told my mom I had been bringing up the topic a lot. I brought up gay movies(appropriate) and gay characters in a soap opera she was watching so that she wouldn't take it so hard when I told her she said that, that gave her the idea that I was gay but she said that she would've been accepting either way so just be careful. Don't offend him and most importantly if your husband ever criticizes the LGBT+ community make sure you point out to him that it's wrong to do that. I hope I was able to help :slight_smile:
     
  6. It'll be a shock, for sure. No matter how liberal or accepting parents are, there's still a grieving process to go through. You've had a bit of time to deal with it & process all the emotions - his dad will probably be hit by a brick & may say some things he later regrets.

    Unfortunately that's just what happens.

    Things do get better though, and after a year or two you'll probably both wonder what all the fuss was about.
     
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    First, it's great to hear you have your son back. Almost certainly it's because he's no longer in shame about who he is.

    For fathers, one of the most difficult aspects of adjusting to having a gay son is the nagging fear that somehow he (the father) failed his son. Most straight men generally don't do emotions well. They are taught from an early age, both explicitly and implicitly, to "bottle it all up." And nearly all fathers create idealized images of their male (and female) children... which, of course, never include being gay.

    So it is possible that your husband also (likely correctly) made the jump from "Mike doesn't like sports" to "Mike is gay" because... well, that's a stereotype that many people have, and it also happens to be true a fair amount of the time.

    And the 5 years of grieving may be the recognition, even if it isn't conscious, that Mike may be gay. The challenging part is, much of this logic, reasoning, and behavior is entirely unconscious so he may not even realize it's happening, just that he's really upset. Worse, bottling up the emotions takes a toll, but letting the emotions out is scary on multiple levels (Brené Brown talks about this issue as well in Daring Greatly.)

    I think at a certain point, likely sooner than later, it's going to be necessary for your husband to know. This should only be done with your son's permission, and on his timetable, though you can gently encourage the timetable. You can talk to Mike about it -- he might prefer you to tell his dad, and he might prefer to tell him himself. But I think I'd wait a week or two before bringing it up, to give him time to adjust.

    Depending on what sort of relationship you have with Mike as far as communications, I'd also suggest gently encouraging some ways of opening channels of communication. I might have suggested this before, but some sort of activity you can do together (hiking, board game, some sort of craft work, whatever is a mutual interest) where there's an opportunity to talk can be a wonderful way of maintaining connection. The key is to not talk about anything remotely controversial, and one of the other really valuable pieces is showing your own vulnerability -- talking about difficult times you had in school, when you were teased, or felt left out, things like that -- because it makes it clear to him that you understand so that if/when things happen where he feels shame, he knows he can come to you for help.

    As for your husband, that's harder, and also depends on how open your communication with him is about feelings. He will likely need help and support, but may not know how to ask for it, or even how to accept it if offered. So that's one of those places where trying to put aside what you would want in that circumstance and trying to imagine how he would want support to look like could help.

    Again, you're carrying a lot on your shoulders here, but you're doing an amazing job. :slight_smile:
     
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    I think he was scared and ashamed after being caught, and he'd gone into defense mode. That doesn't excuse slapping his mother across the face, but I can understand the way he felt. That said, I think you can use this experience to grow closer to your son. Show your love and promise that you'll be at his wedding no matter who it's with.
     
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    Thank you everyone that has replied so far. In case you don't know the background, Mike has not come out to me at all. He has denied being gay or being attracted to men. I am keeping the gay porn activity a secret between the two of us. I told him I would not tell anyone including his father.

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    Thank you. I did "test the waters" with my husband the other day. I said "what would you think if Mike were gay". He said "He isn't gay and I don't know why you would even think that". I said, I don't know. I was just curious what you would think if he was. He said "Well he isn't".
     
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    Chip's theory that your husband's disappointment with Mike not playing sports could also be linked to his fear that his son is gay, whether he consciously knows it or not, makes sense. Given your husband's response to the hypothetical question you posed to him, his answer seemed curt and obviously wanted to avoid the topic.

    Also...your son slapped you? I would not put up with that, and at the very least would have slapped him right back; let his father know, and ground him indefinitely.
     
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    Even though he hasn't come out, I think the improvements you're noticing are because he's no longer in shame about viewing gay porn. In time, he'll probably come to accept that he's not straight, and will tell you about it.

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    I wouldn't recommend that. Physical violence is unacceptable, but I don't think that punishing violence with violence is productive.
     
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    Pretty certain (to me) that your husband suspects, which is why you got such a strong reaction when you brought it up. The denial response would be typical in the process of coming to terms with the loss of perception that he's straight (the 5 stages of loss: denial-anger-bargaining-grief-acceptance). And "testing the waters", at least to me, pretty much makes it clear (to him) that you think that's a good possibility. So he may just need some time to come to terms with that.

    Sorry I confused the idea that Mike had come out. I'm sure that when he's ready, he'll let you know where he stands on the issue.
     
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    hey cann it seems like your doing the best you can in a hard very spot.glad to hear mike is smiling.chip recommended a book Brené Brown's "Daring Greatly" on the issue of shame.i kinda wanna push that advice on you as someone whos been in your sons spot i feel its the issue that needs the most attention.brene brown has a great ted talk 2 Brené Brown: The power of vulnerability | Talk Video | TED.com. i wana mention your approach to these issues is pretty impressive. i have a lot of faith in people who seek out advice and examine their own actions objectively.and from evidence ive seen its a pretty successful approach to dealing with life.
     
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    To add, your son getting angry, unreasonable, and rebellious is a completely normal thing during puberty. Being gay there's going to be a whole load of other emotions involved, probably depression too, but as long as you show him you're there for him and you love and support him, it should be alright.

    Saying that, physical violence against you should not be tolerated. It's a shame your husband acted like that in response to you getting hit and your question about him being gay.
     
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    I watched the video. It is only about 20 minutes. I couldn't believe 16 million people have viewed the video. I thought it was really helpful. Thank you
     
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    It sounds like you're handling this well.

    To me what is just as troublesome as your husband's stand-offishness on the topic of homosexuality is his gendered attitude towards masculinity and sports. Not all boys like sports; some like staying inside and reading more; some like dance; some like model making or hiking. Every child should be encouraged to do interests that he/she enjoys and is good at, whether or not they fit into preconceived, limiting blocks of what's ultra masculine or ultra feminine.

    My dad was a little like your husband towards my lack of interest in sports, not perhaps to the same extent, but it increased the emotional distance between us. Kids pull away when they see that their parents irrationally value them not on all the good things they are, or do, but on their lack of adherence to some gendered standard.

    I would suggest being firm with your husband on this point. The gay thing is too emotive to bring up directly - and who knows your son's actual sexual orientation, at this early stage? But it will be easier if your husband knows that he should love and support his son equally whether he is very masculine or not so masculine. It shouldn't matter. It doesn't matter, and it's a dereliction of duty on your husband's part if he makes it matter.
     
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    my brother is pretty open about our faults and mistakes around his step kid.the idea behind it is to show the example if he can still love us knowing what we were like at his age etc. then he can expect the same reaction from us.its a pretty sly way of getting him to be open.but from how open hayden is with us with his problems its a pretty profound difference than it was with our parents.try to go to him with any of your problems ask advice from him if you can show traits you want from him .then he should feel comfortable opening up.basically avoid talking on a different level .
     
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    About the behavior issue:
    Those past years I've had a pretty difficult relationship with my parents and mainly my mother. I was and still am sometimes even though I try to control it, in a very tensed mood inside and can become agressive in a second if I get pissed about something.
    I think this is due to the load of internalised stress, anxiety, homophobia and self hatred I was feeling for myself before accepting who I am. This load got smaller when I came out to a couple of people. And now I am not out yet to my parents, but I'm planning on doing it in about 2 weeks time. And when I think about this, I of course feel anxious but also some sense of feeling the relief coming soon. I don't know if that was clear but I feel happy knowing that soon I will be out to my parents and not only to a couple friends.
    This load of stress I had made me agressive and as I have have a pretty "standing up for injustice" kind of personality, I would not shut up when a teacher would give a punishment I though was unfair and I almost got expelled for that. The school says I have anger management issues, which might be partially true but now that my stress load is partially lifted, I feel less angry.

    On the husband "issue" I can't really help you as I have no experience dealing with that :lol:

    Anyway I want to congratulate you because you seem like such a good mother, loving and caring for your son. You seem to have accepted the possibility that he might be gay pretty quickly and love him for who he is so congratulations again.
    And as others said, do not assume heterosexuality of a child because it could potentially hurt (I know it did a bit when my parents were asking me questions, which they don't anymore).
     
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    As many of you have suggested, I did have a talk with Mike about being safe on the computer (no texting, talking or emailing an adult or someone he doesn't know). This may seem extreme to some of you but he is only 12. I explained to him that there are predators on the internet (men and woman). Not sure if I gave him too much detail or not? This is all new to me.

    I also gave him an explanation of unconditional love. I also told him that if he ever wanted to talk to someone in confidence, I would arrange for him to go to a counselor. I also told him how I go to a counselor to talk about things that I don't want anyone else to know about.

    He didn't say much but he seemed to appreciate the effort.