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Losing a daughter?... Trying to process

Discussion in 'For Parents and Family Members of LGBT People' started by MarathonDad, Feb 15, 2017.

  1. MarathonDad

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    My first born child, now nearly 13yrs old has always been quirky.

    From her earliest ages she rejected the usual female gender stereotypical bullshit, never got into the Barbie doll and Disney princess thing and was more into Star Wars, construction toys and the usual male gender stereotypical bullshit. As parents this didn't bother us at all - she was happy healthy and seemed to have an innate understanding of how ridiculous societies preconceived notions about gender were. My daughter was not going to grow up a downtrodden, repressed disadvantaged woman in a patriarchal society - she was going to be her own woman fully in charge of her own destiny.

    When she started school her teachers quickly picked up on some of her idiosyncracies, but noted she was excelling beyond any reasonable expectations in the classroom. After a short time however, her attitude in the classroom went from sparky and excited to dull and depressed. She was still getting great grades - but her enthusiasm for life had taken a huge dive.

    Following advice from teachers she was assessed by a psychologist and found to be off the charts gifted - with skillsets across the full spectrum of tested areas far in excess of her age. Her IQ (although its a highly suspect measure not really terribly useful for anything much) was declared as "unmeasurable" with her capabilities exceeding those of the test used to determine it which tops out at 148 (difficult to measure much higher in young kids). We knew she was pretty smart - but this was still something quite challenging to deal with. After much discussion with relevant professionals we switched her up a year at school and moved to a different school more able to cope with her unique needs. In all observable ways her life seemed to improve. When she started the new school it was like someone switched the lights back on and our bright, sassy, inquisitive and cynical daughter was back on deck. Once again we could look forward to watching our daughter grow into a powerful and brilliant young woman.

    Her gender behaviour was never really a problem, the school was co-ed and she hung out a lot with boys, but had plenty of female friends too. Unusual friends never seemed to be a problem for her and as a 10yr old she toured Japan with the school string ensemble as the youngest ever from the school to tour but managed to come home best mates with all the 17 and 18yr olds she hung out with. (This was predicted by psychologists who said she'd try to seek out her intellectual peers rather than chronological ones).

    She never enjoyed dressing in 'female' clothes and attempts to put her in any kind of formal stuff for musical performances often led to arguments and struggles. As parents we never really worried about this too much - just a part of growing up. I totally understood the rejection of traditional female stereotypes and imagined her growing up as some kind of radical, self-assured, assertive, tom-boyish high achiever. No problems there.

    Last year, she came home from school and announced that she was 'trans'. Her mother and I didnt really know much about that and figured this was something she'd learnt a little about and had found some kind of a label that meant sense of how she rejected traditional 'femininity'. We didnt really pay too much attention and probably dismissed her far more than we should assuming that as puberty encroached her opinions and self-image would find their places in the world and everything would 'self correct'.

    But it intensified....

    Haircuts, clothing choices, everything has taken on a 'masculine' vibe and we decided it was time to take this seriously and get help. We've seen a gender specialist GP and a psychiatrist and she's now been officially diagnosed with "gender disphoria". We have an appointment next week with an endocrinologist to discuss puberty blocking drugs and the prospect of 'egg harvesting' for future reproductive use has been raised.

    It all seems very fast... and very confronting.

    I'd like to be supportive and do what I can to ensure my childs happiness - but there's still a huge part of me that worries that we're medicalising, treating and almost encouraging potentially harmful treatments. It scares the hell out of me.

    I feel kind of like I'm about to lose the powerful, assertive, quick-witted daughter I was expecting to watch grow up and instead I'm going to get an effeminate, awkward half-son.

    I realise of course that this is competely unreasonable and based on whatever horrendous preconceptions I have. I grew up respecting (and all too often falling in love with) very intelligent, powerful and tomboyish girls. I loved the way they rejected the societal path and forged their own definition of the world, but at the same time I never met a 'weak effeminate' man that impressed me or garnered respect. (That *is* unreasonable yes - but ...hey just expsoing my own bigotry here as part of my journey to an improved understanding).

    Not quite sure what I expect to happen from here on.... and I have no idea what I expect to hear from people on this forum. But I figure open communications and increased understanding has to help. The problems may be all mine to deal with - I need to change.

    Is there anyone else out there who can tell me this ends well and they've come from a similar position and reached a point of comfort?
     
  2. Chip

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    Hi and welcome. You are in the right place. And... Your fears and concerns are normal and expected. I hear you being concerned and yet supportive.

    I would first suggest you search out the wonderful documentary 'Growing Up Trans'. It's a really well done, balanced film that accurately conveys the complexity and difficult dilemmas in making these decisions.

    It is worth knowing that a substantial portion of teens who experience gender dysphoria find that it resolves without transitioning. Yet, many others do transition. Navigating this situation is difficult and going with the puberty blockers is one way to buy time to consider options and have further discussion.

    I encourage you to continue talking about your concerns. Your child is very lucky to have understanding and supportive parents.
     
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    Not a parent, but in fact, someone else's effeminate, awkward half-son...

    I can't really imagine what this is like from your view point. But you have done so much for your child, you are truly handling this wonderfully! Your fear of medicalising your child's personality is a valid one, not because there are a ton of cases of trans people regretting treatments (there aren't), but because adolescence is one long period of extensive growth and soul-searching. You are probably afraid, on some level, that your child will change their mind, or that these treatments will have a negative effect on your child's confidence - confidence which has been a key factor of their personality!

    Time will tell, but remember - your child telling you that they're trans was a huge, bold, and very brave thing for them to do.

    I would know. I was a quirky, confident, gender-stereotype-busting child myself - and an awkward, self-loathing, miserable teenager. I didn't have the boldness to confide in my parents the way that your child has until only a month ago. My parents had to go through years of wondering where their child went because I couldn't find those two words, "I'm trans". And believe me, by accepting your child's confession and looking into treatment to help them, you've taken the first step in combating a drop in your child's confidence. You've shown you love them, no matter what, and that you're on their side. And that really means a lot!

    I guess one of the real questions is, who's to say your child will be in any way weak or effeminate? Those qualities that you praise in your child now will still be there! And if your child does show any effeminate qualities, well, they're still fighting gender stereotypes! We live in a culture that subconsciously finds tomboyish traits more acceptable than "sissy" ones. But gender stereotypes aren't just bullshit on one end of the spectrum. A time is fast approaching where we as a culture need to ask ourselves, "Why can't he?" Why can't he take a cooking class? The world's top chef's are men, and the way to a woman's heart is through her stomach! Isn't a dinner more romantic if you're eating a home-cooked meal - and wouldn't a woman be surprised by her man's skills if he presented her with filet mignon at home, rather than at a restaurant! Why can't he learn to sew? He'll save a ton of money if he can repair his own clothes! We've done wonders to empower our young girls, raising new generations of independent-minded female go-getters. Maybe it's time to start affording our young boys the same justice? After all, many "girly" activities, like cooking and sewing, are really exercises in self-reliance and independence! Why should a guy need a woman to take care of him? :wink:

    As far as how intense things are getting...

    I can imagine your reluctance to this big, and seemingly irreversible change. At my age, the next step is hormone therapy - that is, the slow counterbalancing of my estrogens with artificially introduced testosterones. At your child's age, hormone blockers are still an option. This is totally reversible - if you put your child on hormone blockers, they will slow the effects of female puberty, without introducing any hallmarks of a male puberty. It's really a way to buy your child some time so that, when they decide that hormones are the right way to go, they have less to combat. And on the off chance that they feel they've jumped the gun? Once they come off the blockers, they can feminize.

    But what about your child's emotional health? If it's any comfort, in my own coming out, I was met with little resistance. I was bullied quite a bit as a kid - for being quirky, too confident, too odd. But times are changing. I've found quite a bit of acceptance, from both male and female individuals. In the seven years I've been actively exploring my gender and interacting with others based around it, I've had very few negative encounters. I've learned when to talk about the trans thing, and when to keep quiet. Your child will learn to navigate their own experience of growing up, and you'll learn to help them along their path, one step at a time, one experience at a time.

    I am not a parent, and I don't know what it's like to raise a child, and to have a set of expectations for that child that developed as I watched them grow. But I do know that every parent develops these expectations, and every child challenges them. In that respect, your experiences with your child's coming out are really not so strange. In fact, I think any parent of an adolescent to adult aged child will tell you precisely where their child turned out differently than expected! I'm not going to give you the "you're not losing a daughter...you're gaining a son!' rhetoric because I won't insult your intelligence like that. You know what is happening! What I will tell you is that you seem to have an intelligent, self-driven child, one to be proud of, and you seem to know it. I bet that won't change.
     
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    Lol they won't necessarily be effeminate. Plenty of transmen are rather hypermasculine actually. I think this is a strange reason for concern.

    Worrying that this may be a phase or they will grow out of it and not wanting to do anything drastic, particularly medically, though, that is a very valid concern. Frankly, some kids will grow out of this and some will not and it's tricky because your child is at the perfect age to start transitioning while stalling female puberty so maybe they could get some decent height and bone growth and what not, but also many would say they're too young to know.

    Good luck and try to keep an open mind but stay a little cautious as well.
     
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    Thanks for all the replies - its encouraging to hear such a confident and articulate bunch of people who have gone along this path before.

    Ricky - yes point taken, 'fear of effeminate' is probably unfounded! Tell the truth I find it difficult to identify what my concerns are. Its all so alien to me that all I can really tell is that I'm uncomfortably unfamiliar. I'll admit one concern I have about puberty blockers is the effect on growth. At the moment she (he? - I'm going to really struggle with pronouns for a while!) has quite large feet for her height and I'd predict significant growth spurts over next few months. If puberty blockers inhibit that, does that mean she'll miss out on that height? (Her mother is 5'0" and I'm 6'3" - so theres a huge variety of genetic 'predispositions' available in terms of height!) I'm sure she'd prefer to be on the taller side of the spectrum!

    We had a meeting at school today to discuss things. They seemed very supportive and understanding and were happy to suggest having a staff meeting to ensure all staff recognize the transition that's about to occur, to ensure that uniform changes can be accepted and discuss little details like how to manage which toilets to use, where to change for Phys Ed lessons, what dorm arrangements will be on school camps etc etc...

    Everything seems to move so fast!
     
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    Fast moving world keeps moving:

    Had an appointment with an endocrinologist today to discuss treatment plans and what might work. There was lots of measuring to determine extent of current puberty development and then a bit of talking about what to do.

    Looks like the plan is going to be to start puberty blockers asap. There will be a wait of around a month before a spot in a public clinic is free (public health makes the cost $0 - but if we used private health insurance it'd cost us $1000 out of pocket for each injection every three months!).

    Child (hereafter referred to as 'X') seems pretty chirpy about the prospect and was particularly delighted to hear that a side effect of puberty blocking drugs is to prolong the growing phase childhood often resulting in an increase in overall height. I guess that's a good thing for ftm transitions but probably less desirable for those dealing with an mtf journey?

    We walked out of the doctors with a stack of paperwork for blood tests, bone density tests and a whole bunch of other stuff that's used to get a benchmark on things before treatment starts.

    We also need to have an appointment with a child fertility specialist (who knew *that* was a job?!) to talk about egg harvesting and whether to do that now before puberty blocking starts, or whether to wait until later, perhaps between end of puberty blockers and potentially before full HRT?

    Legally it seems HRT cant be commenced prior to age 16 here in Australia, and even then a court order is required (there is an established process to make that happen). If court order is deemed to awkward, then X could wait until 18yrs of age without court order. Either way it looks like 3 monthly injections of puberty blockers are on the cards for the next 3 years minimum.

    Still kinda daunted here. The confronting sight of an official bit of medical paperwork with "Gender: M" written on it was quite odd.....
     
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    I'm a bit late to this thread, but would like to tell you that the emotional reaction I had to reading your posts did shock me a little.
    Your child sounds like me, except a lot more sure of what they want from life at an earlier age. I don't like to talk about the things I will write next, but I will write them here because they ring true to your situation.
    When I was in primary school the teachers told my parents that my reading and writing age was that of a 17 year-old, and when I started secondary school my test scores (including IQ) were 'off-the-charts' and there was talk of accelerating me through school or alternatively providing additional 'challenging' work. I was emotionally immature in many ways, so accelerating through the years wasn't appealing, and then the school didn't follow through with the provision of additional work. That didn't make much of a difference, because I teach myself new things constantly, and prefer to teach myself anyway rather than have it be dictated. I play a stringed instrument and, like your child, went on tours with orchestras when I was 11/12 years-old with 17/18 year-olds, and came home best friends with them, because even though maybe I was emotionally behind everyone, I could definitely keep up with them intellectually, and thrived. I achieved very good results at school and went on to a top university. I am, objectively, a good-looking 'female', and I'm healthy and my life looked perfect from the outside.
    However internally it was never easy, existing. I honestly thought that my discomfort with myself was due to my quirkiness and overactive mind. I hated myself. I hated myself so much, I can't begin to explain it. I knew I was a useless girl and a useless daughter. At 14/15 I started experiencing horrible depressions that went unnoticed, mainly because I kept functioning, and my parents thought I was just 'moody'. I stopped eating properly for a while - although thankfully not severely enough to develop an eating disorder - because I hated my body. I thought I hated it in the way typical girls hated their bodies, wanting to be thinner and prettier, but my issues lay with my breasts and hips. I knew no matter how much weight I lost it wouldn't make a difference. I knew that it was my body being female that was the issue - it was fundamentally wrong.
    It took me a very long time to accept that I'm male. I'm 21 years old, and I am nowhere near beginning medical transition.
    And this is because of my parents. This is why I wanted to tell you all this. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for listening to your child. Thank you for being a good enough human being for your child to feel comfortable telling you these things. Whatever happens, just always be there for your child, as I'm sure you will be. Nothing should come between you both. The parent-child relationship will always be there and strong and nothing should come between it.
    My relationship with my parents is suffering so badly because I cannot tell them about this fundamental part of who I am, because I know they will not accept it. They will not let me be this way. This was not how I was supposed to be, from their side of things, so it will never be a thing that they acknowledge or accept. I'm not sure I will tell them, ever. Either I will have to swallow my feelings and remain suppressed until they are no longer a part of my life, or I will tell them and run the risk of them rejecting me and cutting me out of their life. So, thank you, thank you for being so open and accepting. Please just keep being incredible.
    Do not panic. Do not worry. Life has a funny way of making everything alright in the end. Your incredible quirky child will still be quirky and incredible and vivid and intense and brilliant and fiery and explosively wonderful no matter what, whether they are male or female or both or neither. I am still me and always will be me no matter what, and nothing will change that. All I know, being at this point pre-transition, is that the only thing that could possibly change is that I would be happier and more able to enjoy life to the maximum if my body finally matched my mind. My fascination with the world and my curiosity and drive to succeed and thrive and make something of my life will never die, and if anything will only become more intense once I am living in a body that makes me comfortable. I am sure the same will be true for your child.
    As for the reference to being effeminate and weak - I respect you for being so open about your feelings and reactions. Trust that your child will never ever be weak. If they have the courage to be doing this, and are as driven as your post describes, they will never ever be weak. And quite frankly, does it matter about being masculine/feminine etc.? I know I would rather be a healthy, happy effeminate man rather than a desperately repressed, unhappy but seemingly 'strong' woman.
     
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    Pepper,

    Thanks a lot for your post. I find it tragically sad that the relationship you have with your parents doesnt seem to be strong enough for you to be honest with them. I would hate to think of my kids keeping something bottled up because they were afraid of how I would react.

    Amazing to hear the parallels between you and X though! Googling around it seems that 'super-bright' & 'transgender' seem to occur together a bit. I wonder if any science has been done to see if there's any reason for that apparent correlation (or at least an 'over-representation' of high IQ's in the Trans population?). Not that it matters of course, but I find that really intriguing!

    I had a counselling session yesterday and I'm feeling a bit more on top of things now. I know we'll have some hefty challenges ahead, but in a weird way I kind of see it as an opportunity to strengthen the father-child relationship that as with any pre-teen child does get tested from time to time.

    Anyway - I dont really have a whole lot to say. The more I hear other people talk about their experience the more normalised it becomes and the easier it is for me to get my head around things. I dont really even need or expect advice (although anyone who can give me a 'heads up' on anywhere where my thinking is outdated or incorrect is more than welcome) - just hearing other people is comforting in itself.
     
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    Well, I'm not the most qualified person to give advice on this subject, as I'm a 14 yo with no intention of starting a family any time soon, but I can assure you, you're doing awesome all things considered. A majority of parents of trans people are kind of assholes about it. At least you're getting them therapy. I asked my dad for therapy for my birthday, then again for Christmas, he just got pissed at me. He also smashed my phone when I was accidentally outed by one of my friends to him, and he locked me in my room with no dinner. He's not abusive, he just doesn't know how to deal with "special cases". You're doing better than the majority of parents would regarding this subject, and you sound like you're doing the best you can.

    Woah did this all just turn into something about my crappy life? Wow, I'm terrible at giving advice at 1:05 in the morning
     
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    You don't have a "weak and effeminate half-son." You have a very strong and brave son. Now I don't know if he really is your half-son, but I can see the love and parenting here and I would like to say: YOU ARE AMAZING. I wish my parents were as supportive but they just deny to be whatsoever. I'm allowed to wear stereotypically male clothes and get haircuts but they usually are hesitant when I ask for something "male" because they feel that me being trans is "taking away their memories and their "daughter." I try to remind them that they have not lost their child but I just want them to support me in my decision to transition. I know for sure that I want to because I look at transmen and see how they end up and I smile. I do not want my body to become "feminine." I'd say you have a reason to be afraid of the treatments because it may seem unnatural to put hormones or hormone blockers into someone's body. But keep on doing what you're doing. If your son decides he doesn't want to transition, it does not make him a girl. Even though his biological sex is female, his feelings are different and very similar to mine. Transitioning is not required to be a man.