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My teenage son is gay

Discussion in 'For Parents and Family Members of LGBT People' started by CountessAbby, Feb 27, 2013.

  1. CountessAbby

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    This really shocked me quite a bit and I had no idea...so I was just floored when he told me.....and now, I know about it but his dad does not. He is a super kid and the best student, well adjusted and just very together. Best kid in the world....honor student etc...I am so very proud of him. I am and always have been a huge supporter and believer in gays and their rights and he knows this, I believe that is why he told me. He does not want his father to know. I am a bit uneasy with this decision because his siblings know and he has also told some of his friends. I dont want dad hearing it somewhere else. I think it is not my secret to share and if his father knowing will make him uncomfortable then I wont tell dad.....my son can make that decision and he gets to pick the time. Its his secret to tell. I am 100% behind him and this doesnt affect my feelings towards him at all. Its no difference to me if he is gay or straight. Should I encourage him to tell his dad or continue to wait? I told him I will go along with whatever he wants but it seems to be harder and harder to keep this from my husband. And I dont want my son to be in any way ashamed of who he is. I have always been the mom telling my kids to "be who you ARE". I have told him he is in a unique position to break the sterotypes, and to be a good example for other young gay guys, l his dad is small minded and has very limited exposure to people of a nontraditional lifestyle. I am much more wordly, accepting and open minded... But I dont want him to be uncomfortable in his own home either. Any advice to a supportive mom? Thanks in advance!
     
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    I think you are correct to respect that confidence even though it is hard for you to do so. I think that you need to wait until your son feels safe. Meanwhile, you can let him know that he has an ally if he goes to his father with this.

    You may have to work on your husband a bit, and by that, I mean stand up to negative comments he makes about LGBT people, and try to positively mention good developments in this area (for example, a good law is passed, or a country's supreme court does something good, etc.) If you make your support too contrived, your husband will know something is up and start questioning.

    So you might have to be a little careful and be patient with this process.

    Even with supportive parents, we're terrified to let people know if we're gay or transgender.

    Thanks for coming to engage with us. It always does us good to know that parents out there are trying to make their kids feel loved rather than kicking them out of the house.

    With warmth,

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    First of all, you are a great mom! Proud of you. :slight_smile: Next, it's great that you found this site. People probably give better advice than I do, but I will try my best.

    You are right, it is his secret to share. How does "Dad" feel about gay people? Have you asked him or anything? Maybe snuck it into some of the conversations on how he feels about them?

    The first thing you might want to do is find out how dad feels about gay people. Afterwards, if he is okay with it, tell your son to come out WHEN HE WANTS TO. That is the big thing. It's his secret to share. If he isn't okay with it, I'm not sure. What would you do if he threatened to kick him from the house? That is where I am limited on advice.
    Sorry on my limited source.
     
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    Fist of all I want to say that I am so proud and happy that you are supportive of him. Not enough people are. I would be honest with him, and explain why you think he should tell his father, and maybe give him advice on how best to do it, but I wouldn't push him. Make sure that he knows that you support him 100% and won't be mad or upset if he doesn't tell his dad. I believe you should not tell his father unless your son hasn't told him after a fairly long time, and you are sure that he won't be upset or confront your son, that he will just know quietly, and you feel it is very necessary that he knows about your son. But is probably best to let him do it himself with advice or help from you. :slight_smile:
     
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    Brother Texan, the Dame Abby is worried about her husband a little bit.
     
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    Made me cry. I agree with Pret Allez. Am so proud of you for supporting your son!
     
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    Wow! Thanks for the quick replies! So helpful! Dad has made terrible comments in the past unthinkingly...when he has seen a very flamboyant gay on American Idol he has made cutting comments and my son who is 16 still remembers them. I have always been quick to add' This is how these people are born. They are a pie of 32 pieces and this is only one piece! So he is narrow minded......mostly because he was raised by a very homophobic father. He has relaxed his views a lot and recently he, too agreed to vote for Obama because everyone should have the same rights...so he is slowly coming around. He is a very private person and I have reassured my son his dad does not "hate" gays. What he objects to is the outward discussions of sex. Of any nature,....his own included. He just doesnt feel it needs to be discussed in mixed company. Sex is private and personal, period. I asked my son "Do you hear your father discussing OUR sex life" And he was like "god NO!" And he agreed that is likely what dad doesnt like...ANYone taking their sex life into a public forum like a "parade" to him is just too private. Actually my son agrees and he is very quiet about this but he will not lie about it either, if asked. He is very popular and accepted at his very small school, some kids know, some dont. He told me that he has been picked on zero times. There are a few gay male teachers there so I think that helps. I am working on dad and he knows how strongly I have always felt. I have repeated it constantly over the years...and I have gay friends etc. He loves his son more then anything and this will shock him but he would never kick him out or reject him. Our son says not to let him know until he leaves for college and once he doesnt have to live here he will feel more comfortable so I am taking his lead. His dad thinks all gays act "girly' and are limp wristed and he believes all the sterotypes. My son is quite manly, has a deep voice and really has nothing about him that would leave you to even suspect he is gay. He is not athletic but very brainy, very good looking and never does anything that would lead anyone to ever guess. I didnt have a clue. But I have told him over the years those kids are just like everyone else and he needs to respect them. Little did I know!

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    Dad is narrow minded and from a small town. The gay kids were considered "Weird" but he has a heart of gold and he loves and deeply admires his son and is very proud of him. But his son is partly not who he thinks he is....I have been working on his attitude for about 25 years and he has come around. He has said once "that would be really hard but if its your kid, you just accept it" I told my son "dad may hear it elsewhere and how shall i respond then"? My son says "you will LIE, mom. And I will also LIE" So, there it is. It makes not an iota of difference to me. But he should be able to tell dad, and he feels he can't. I am going to take his lead as you have all suggested. We talk openly all the time when dad is gone. About the best college, etc. When dad is here were clam up.
     
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    We jump all over stuff like this, because we just want to have other kids get it better than some of us did.

    It sounds to me dad is not safe, if he believes the stereotypes. There are only two real strategies to beat this. One is to argue not everyone fits the stereotypes. Now, this is true, but some of us--like me--do fit them. The other is to argue that there's nothing wrong with being like the stereotype. That's a harder sell. For him, he thinks it's probably intentional, and that those of us who are feminine gay men or masculine lesbians are trying to telegraph our orientation to the world.

    But it doesn't work that way. Your husband is right to think that sexuality should not be discussed in a vulgar way. It is private, and some other people don't want to hear about it. At the same time though, there are discussions about sex that aren't really "about sex," if that makes any sense.

    I feel like being gay is one of those discussions. It's like "hey, I'm gay, and I'm never going to bring a woman home to meet you." But it's not him describing how he wants to have sex, or what he wants to do. Anything your husband is thinking is just his imagination running wild. Being open about sexualities is not the same as being vulgar about discussing sex... I guess I might try to approach it that way.
     
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    I am very sad that he will have a much more challenging time finding a relationship, he will miss out on many highschool rite of passage things like dates and proms and he doesnt give a hoot. He told me he has no intentions of pursuing relationships until he goes to college. He is very sensible and mature. But this will make his life so much harder. I love him for who he is and he knows that. I just want him to be happy. I feel weird keeping it from dad but will do it. I guess I resent a little bit that for the first time in 25 years I am keeping a secret from my spouse. I am a little pissed off about it but he brought it on himself with his narrow minded views and his occasional nasty anti gay comments. And this is not about ME. Its about my son. Its also not about his dad. I reminded him of that as well.

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    You are right! Absolutely. He does still have that sterotype in his head. Some men are just more feminine as they are made that way. Period. Why should it affect him or bother him? He has said "those guys creep me out" and things of that nature. I think just finding out...will make him realize he is WRONG WRONG WRONG about teh stereotypes and his son will be the one to crush it. Our first son was not very masculine, quite small, enjoys cooking, gardening, etc. I thought he was gay for years. He is not. But this son? Totally masculine, very deep voice, etc.Tall...bigger guy. Thats the irony here, neither of us suspected this one at all. Just my son continuing to be quietly gay and not being outright, boisterous or acting and talking in that "typical" manner...means his dads ideas have all been wrong. Who better in a position to make dad see that then his own son? He is a very kind man, a loving man and he has been a stay at home dad for 16 years, he loves this child more then life itself. He will want nothing more then his happiness once it sinks in. I have been having discussions to soften his nonsense. I have finally told him I will not stand for anymore derogatory statements regarding gays since I have family members and friends. I find it offensive. So he has stopped doing it. But that doestn mean he has changed his mind,
     
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    I would encourage your son to come out to him as soon as he can. It sounds like it will be surprising but go alright. Being in the closet to a parent even when out to some people is really rough. I regret more than anything not coming out in high school I missed a big part of everything. Dad will definitely rather hear it from him than someone else. But it's his situation and there's a lot of variables. Take care, whatever happens. Your son is so lucky.
     
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    You may have to keep working on him, and I am sorry that you're having to keep a secret. I know how it can feel so closed, as opposed to transparent, distant as opposed to intimate, and unethical as opposed to honest. But you're right that he did it to himself. Your son's privacy comes prior to that. In a way, both of you are having to come out. Because at some point, your son will want to come out to his father.

    And, you will want to let your husband know too and be there to defend your son when dad inevitably flips out.

    It sucks, because it's a mess you didn't create, but you have to help clean up.

    Great for you for taking a stand with him.
     
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    The vast majority of gays fit no "gay" stereotype. In general straight society is very ignorant of different sexual preference. Your husband would be amazed by how many gays already populate his life and he has no clue. You may have no clue either as many gays are married with children.
     
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    I wish my mother were like you,but no such luck.
    Still I am happy that there are parents, well humans like you,who love unconditionally and without judgement.
    Believe me you brightened my day,and your son is blessed to have a mother like you.
     
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    This is going to be my parents' dilemma too, because the only understanding they have of LGBT people is through stereotypes.

    My brother has always been the smaller one of the two of us, flirtatious and loud, never dated around much with girls, likes to decorate and build stuff around his house. Bakes cookies, for Christ's sake. Straight as an arrow, married with a kid now.

    I'm the bigger guy of the two of us, pretty athletic, bartender, lady's man all throughout high school and college, hunter/fisher, deep-voiced...and the gay one.

    So yeah.

    I wish my folks thought like you did though Abby. My parents have known my boyfriend since he was too young to drink, they even think of him like their own son because his parents are kind of worthless and they sort of took him in.

    It hurts me to know that if they knew we were together, really together, they'd probably disown both of us on religious grounds alone.
     
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    I just have to say that your son is very lucky to have such an amazing mother! When I was coming out to myself and my parents (just a few months ago, and look at my age! Talk about missing out on life experiences!), I had an intense, nearly insurmountable fear that both of my parents would reject me because of anti-gay comments made in the past, believing that homosexuality is a sin, etc.

    When it actually happened, I found that they were accepting beyond my wildest imagination. I can only hope that your husband would be the same (unexpectedly accepting) with regards to your son. The funny thing that I've read on here over and over again, and it's worth repeating, is that when it hits close to home, your husband will have to drop the rhetoric and deal with it on a more personal, more real level, which I think is exactly what happened in my parents case.

    Speaking of my therapist, I recommend that you get your son one as well, one who specializes in these issues (I found my by looking through Psychology Today listings). Mine is gay himself, so that's a plus, but depending on where you are, you might or might not be able to find one that's gay, but I can almost assure you'll find one that's at least affirming that specializes in gay issues. This might be complicated because of your husband not knowing, but it's just a thought.

    As for breaking down "gay stereotypes" - I'm the last person that anyone would think was gay just walking down the street. I'll use a quote that I just told my therapist a few weeks ago, "I consider myself a 98.4% gender conforming male". I say that because I like typical guy things - I'm a huge baseball fan (why I love this time of year, I can come out of hibernation!!!), don't really care for the latest fashion trends, etc.

    So in short,. I'd say that I would keep your son's secret (I asked my parents to keep it from my siblings, I don't know what their reactions will be, and for some reason I don't feel that it's as important that they know as my parents know, at least before I have someone in my life),
     
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    I thought the same thing with my parents. A good parent, like Abby, simply wants what's best for their kid. If that involves you being with Nick, then so be it. Obviously, that's my view, and with a little bit of rationality, I would hope both of your parent's view as well.
     
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    I really have no more advice to give other than to second the perfect things that the other posters have already said, but I do want to add my voice to the choir of those commending you.

    As Pret said, even coming out to a parent that you know supports LGBT rights can be incredibly scary. I was brought up around more LGBT people than I can count, and my parents have always fiercely advocated for the community..and I was still terrified to tell my parents, even though I knew for a fact that they'd be accepting and supportive.

    For your son, having you by his side, showing the immense amount of compassion and understanding that you are, is an incredible gift. You are an amazing mother, and your family is so lucky to have you. You "get it", and your willingness to help your husband along the journey of understanding is heart-warming. I'm so glad you came to EC to share your troubles, and to allow us to show you what a fantastic mother you really are!

    Keep up the good work!
     
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    You have all been incredibly uplifting and positive..and thank you so very much. My dreams for my son dont matter to me...I wish I could snap prom photos and wish for his life to be different, for it to be easier to find a partner etc but those are only MY wishes. I do realize this journey is not about me, but about him. This is how he was made and he needs to be proud of who he is. I will not tolerate any other attitude from his dad. I will simply remind dad this is not about him. As a mom I want my child to be happy. I dont care about his gender preference in the least. Its none of my business. I will welcome anyone he loves into my life as long as they treat him well. I have to say thank you to everyone for the compliments. I am just a mom with a very open mind. I am a medical professional and I think having some psychology helped a lot in school. We are not religious. Nor do we attend church. I have told all my kids since they were in elementary school that when they become adults they are allowed to pick their own religion and their own partner. And I meant it. Those are their own choices to make. I do not think I am all that exceptional, I think most parents love their kids. But they get their "own" dreams in the way. What I want for my son is an easy life and this will certainly make things harder for him. And what I want needs to take a backseat. You have all been so helpful I am just feeling all warm and squishy. I cannot thank you enough. I am thinking of having him come to this website himself. I will take into consideration every suggestion you have all made to me including the counseling. Thanks so very much.

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    Whats all this religious nonsense? I dont get how these churchy people can be all up in arms about gender preference. The bible does not say a damn thing about it as far as I can tell. Seriously? What a boatload of nonsense. So Christians hopefully all know we are all sinners. Hate the sin not the sinner. None of us is perfect. People who make bad choices and hateful choices are bigger sinners then those born with a different makeup. I have heard enough about the religious people and their hating on gays. I call shenanigans.

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    I'm the bigger guy of the two of us, pretty athletic, bartender, lady's man all throughout high school and college, hunter/fisher, deep-voiced...and the gay one.

    I wish my folks thought like you did though Abby. My parents have known my boyfriend since he was too young to drink, they even think of him like their own son because his parents are kind of worthless and they sort of took him in.

    This just makes me sad. You and your friend should be able to tell your parents without such fear of retribution. I understand they are probably a product of close minded parents too. I think in every situation one must do what makes their life the easiest when it comes to living an alternative lifestyle. If your parents die thinking your just friends and they go with a smile then maybe thats best for you all. Its a hard game to play. My blessings and best wishes to you and your friend. Maybe a peaceful resolution is just around the corner. Life is so funny. Maybe your parents need to surround themselves with their imaginary dream world because it insulates them from upsetting their apple cart. There are plenty of nice folks out there who just dont "get it"
    They can still be good parents, just not very understanding ones.
     
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    I would hope just the fact that they love us would be enough. :frowning2: If our positions were reversed, that would be enough for me.

    I think one of the consolations of coming out now that the two of us are older is that the two of us are completely financially independent now, so the worst my folks can do is change the locks on us. They can't really threaten us with anything, because we can just pick up and leave and go back to our own house.

    I mean, it would suck to get disowned as an adult, and I'm trying to prepare myself for the worst just in case that does happen, but there's no way I would have come out under my parents' roof. Ever.
     
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    You are adults now and you can do what you want without approval of your parents. Really. Its not like you just shot and killed someone..or you have cancer. There are simply too many other really awful things in this world a person's kids can do ! You need never tell them. Its your choice. I think you reach an age where you dont care as much about their opinion once your older and more independant. As you said, whats the worse they can do? Sounds to me like they have raised a lovely child and you have done nothing wrong, nothing to be ashamed of and you are still the same kid you always were. This is a minor bump in the road. It can be none of their business or it can be set out on the table for them to deal with. That is your choice, nobody elses. I really do wish you the best of luck! You are still their child and they may not approve but then...they dont have to. You dont need their permission to have love in your life. Love of YOUR choosing and not of theirs