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Getting Tested Together

Discussion in 'Physical & Sexual Health' started by EM68, May 31, 2009.

  1. EM68

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    Last night I was on a date with this guy I have dated a few times. We were talking and he was beating around the bush a little bit that in this age we need to be cautious and can't act like people did years ago. I knew what he was talking about then I said to him 'You want to know if I am safe?'. He said yes. I told him that I am and I have only limited sexual experience (only oral). He asked if I was ever tested. I told him no. Then he asked if he would mind if we got tested together. I told him I would not mind at all.

    I think its a great idea getting tested together. It shows a level of commitment and that we would both want to keep our relationship monogamous. At least for me if and when we get tested together I would insist that we only see each other. The more I think about it the more I like the idea. I sort of find it romantic, as weird as it sounds.

    I know that there have been ton of threads about being tested, but this issue is so important. Any thoughts, ideas?
     
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    go for it Ed :slight_smile:

    if it brings you two closer together and helps lead to a steady commited relationship then thats good :slight_smile:
     
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    Thanks. I think I will when the time comes.

    Also I forgot to add that I am glad we are having this conversation now while we are thinking instead of in the throws of passion ready to tear off each others clothes.
     
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    yea bit late as your stripping off to think of getting tested... talk about mood killer :S
     
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    That seems good to me. When we started dating, my husband and I got tested together before I started to be on pills.
    I'd say go for it. And I'm glad things are going well for you :slight_smile:
     
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    Getting tested together shows a commitment to each other's safety, and that's great. Keep in mind, though, that it isn't foolproof; depending on the test used, you can get a false negative as much as 3 months after infection.

    Also, people tend to talk only in terms of HIV. Hep-C is transmitted in a very similar way to HIV (though slightly less transmissible), is equally uncurable, and can actually, according to most professionals, be even more difficult to treat than HIV. So I recommend testing for both.

    The other thing you haven't said here but may be implying, is that you will not use condoms in your sex life once you are tested. That's a decision that each couple makes for itself, but it is one that you want to be really, really careful of. Even with the best of intentions, people can stray, either because of temptation, because they get drunk orf high, because they get bored with the relationship, etc. And when you are barebacking with someone, you are literally putting your life, future health, and safety into their hands, and trusting that they are as cautious and responsible as you are. Cheating in gay relationships, unfortunately, happens at epidemic proportions and no one ever wants to believe going into a relationship that it can happen to them. Many couples I know are very cautious -- getting tested, and using condoms for the first few months of a relationship -- just as an insurance policy toward their own safety. Perhaps that is overkill, but when one considers the alternatives that can result, it might be a policy worth adopting.

    I'm not at all trying to be a wet blanket or killjoy, but I do think that putting those thoughts out there so that you can at least think about them if you haven't already is worthwhile. I know you're a bit older and hopefully wiser, but I know at least 5 young men, friends of mine, who all became HIV positive before age 22, even though they were *usually* safe in their sexual practices. In one case, a partner cheated, in another, they on the spur of the moment invited a third person in. It sucks that we have to consider these things, but I think it is at least worthwhile to consider them and make the choices for the levels of risk tolerance that we are each individually willing to accept.
     
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    Hi! :slight_smile: I think it's a great idea that you guys want to get tested together. It does show a level of commitment and perhaps even trust. I would still use protection though. Being safe is always best. Being safe is always best!

    It looks like that things are going well for you, which is awesome!
     
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    Even though we do plan to be tested together I do plan to use condoms all of the time. That is NOT negotiable as far as I'm concerned when it comes to anal sex. We talked again today and I told him that when and if we do get tested we will be monogamous and he agreed.
     
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    Good for you,Ed! I am very happy for you. I know it's been a struggle,recently,but it seems that thing's are looking up! Congratulations!
     
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    Things are looking up. I told him that I don't really want to date anyone else right now. He said he was not ready to make that commitment because he was in a long term relationship that ended and he was hurt. He said he needs time to work things out. I told him to take time to work through this. He may not have said it directly that he wants to be exclusive but he has said things in other ways.
     
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    Ed, you are setting a wonderful example for all the young people we have here. These conversations need to happen with every new partner. I think its a great idea to get tested together!
     
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    As Becky mentioned, talking about these things with him is setting a great example. Being open and honest with each other is really the best think in a relationship. If there is a time where you are unsure Ed, maybe just ask him or try talking with him a bit more about it. It looks like that he is open and perhaps also wants to talk himself about things which is always good.
     
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    I think it's a great idea too. Also, I'm glad you asked, because protection/testing/HIV is something I've been thinking about. Despite all the info I got both in school and here, I still wonder about this:

    Let's say I'm with someone who's pretty young (18-19) and has been with one or two relatively trusted people. (I haven't been with anyone.)

    1) Is it realistically OK to have unprotected oral sex? Is there a REAL risk, or is it mostly symbolic? (If it's not OK, I assume we'd need to get special condoms, because I hear the regular ones taste like crap.)

    2) Is it realistically OK to have unprotected anal sex 3 months AFTER having been both tested for Hep-C and AIDS? (For anal I wouldn't mind wearing a condom, just wondering.)

    Thanks to anyone who can answer (hopefully with a bit of credible info :wink: )
     
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    Highly controversial and debated topic. No one definitively knows for sure, because in order to find out, we'd have to do a study where we intentionally try to infect people though oral contact, and obviously that isn't ethical. There are studies out there that have looked at transmission methods and risks orally, and the general consensus is that there is some risk, but it is relatively low compared to unprotected anal sex. There are some steps you can take (see below.)

    What I tell people is, if you honestly believe that your partner is so incredibly trustworthy that you are willing to literally put your life and your health and safety in his hands, then having unprotected sex is OK after you've both passed the infection window (which is 3-6 months, sometimes sooner, depending on which test you're using.) The main issue is somebody goes out and gets drunk or high and does something they wouldn't ordinarily do, then is too embarrassed to tell their partner... and that's how a partner ends up getting infected. If you trust your partner enough that this doesn't concern you, then unprotected sex is fine :slight_smile:

    I'm a little conservative in what I suggest to people because I have several friends who are under 22 who have become infected through just such scenarios. People never seem to really think about it until it's too late.

    On the subject of improving the safety of oral sex, there are a couple of precautions that most infectious disease specialists offer:

    1. *Don't* brush and floss for at least 1-2 hours before having sex. You can open up small abrasions or tears in the gums, making it very easy to transmit virii or bacteria directly to your bloodstream. Swishing with mouthwash is OK and won't cause the abrasions.

    2. Ingesting cum is more risky than not ingesting cum. If you choose to do so, it's better if the guy can cum in your mouth, directly toward the back of your throat, so the cum will go down into the stomach as quickly as possible. Stomach acid appears to destroy virii and bacteria pretty easily, but if cum stays in the mouth, or near the teeth, it's easily absorbed in the mucous membranes of the mouth.

    3. Commonly overlooked, but it is very risky to get cum in your eye, because the same mucous membranes are at the edges of your eyes near the tear ducts. It is very easy for bacteria and virii to be absorbed this way. If you're into facials, wear glasses, or have the guy shoot downwards toward your chest rather than upwards toward your eyes.

    Hope that helps!
     
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    Why do you still plan on using condoms, if you're both clear?
     
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    There are 2 reasons. First, just because you get tested once its not foolproof. You need to be tested every 3 months for a year to make sure you and your partner is totally safe. Secondly it is a personal choice. The rectum is sometimes not totally clean. There may be feces and there is a chance maybe a small one of urinary track infections. Plus I am not totally comfortable of having feces on my penis. However this belief may change.
     
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    That's interesting. The idea that a gay man feels uncomfortable with having his penis up there. I hadn't really thought you ever questioned that.
    But I suppose, it could be similar to how I felt about going down on someone.. before it happened, I had it set in my mind I'd never do it.. 'I'm not putting my mouth there', but something which at first seemed disgusting to me completely changed when it actually happened with someone I loved.
     
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    I am not really questioning putting my penis up there like you said. Its just a question of cleanliness I guess. Also I would have to know how we are together and what we both like or not like. Like I said, once we know that each other is safe for over a year my view may change. I don't know.
     
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    Not to be graphic, but if a woman isn't completely clean, it's generally not that big a deal.

    If a guy is bottoming and isn't clean.... well, with the exception of people into scat, NOBODY I know wants to even think about that, let alone experience it. It's indescribably gross.

    Of course, condom or no condom, I would want my partner who was bottoming to be totally clean, which means he has to take an enema before sex (sorry, I don't buy the "douching" term, that's a female thing.) If he's done that and properly rinsed out, there shouldn't be any possibility of, um, problems.
     
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    Maybe it's a hangup of mine. I am sure I will get over it. I was just responding to a posting that's all.