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Have any other gay men experienced this? A split, compartmentalization

Discussion in 'Sexual Orientation' started by gravechild, Jul 20, 2013.

  1. gravechild

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    After months of questioning, and weeks of acceptance, finally reaching a stage where I can analyze my attractions objectively, I've noticed several patterns emerging. Namely, that the vast majority of my sexual fantasies now involve men, while my eyes still wander towards women. Porn, I have cut back on, and gay porn still remains in the minority. When meeting men and women, there is that "jolt" with women that's missing with men, and it usually takes months or even years of emotional closeness before anything similar starts to surface. This could be another case of "old habits die hard" since I had played the straight roll so well for most my life.

    Sometimes, I wonder just what exactly I'm in-denial of, or what I'm trying to convince myself. I've long ago gave up on trying to apply a specific label on my orientation, which has brought relief, but at the same time, would like to understand what these patterns mean for me, exactly? It became problematic when I started thinking of dating men, only to develop a crush on a woman I met online recently.

    To give more information, I've always experienced arousal at women's bodies, and strangely, at male stomach and chest. Even today, it's really all I pay attention to in the same-sex! That, and I've always been more of a submissive, even in my heterosexual relationships. The same-sex fantasies didn't really start appearing until after the relationships ended, whereas non-existent before, so I'm wondering if those negative experiences hurried the process? Emotions were clamped, and any desire to go out and chase women was immediately stamped out.

    Anyway, I'm just wondering if this experience is typical of closeted gay men, since I've heard of men commonly arguing that while they were sexually attracted to men, emotions were more difficult (I've had a few bromance crushes in the past, but nothing like head over heels, yet) to foster, and compartmentalization was very common, ie men for sex, women for love. One more thing: in the same-sex fantasies, I've yet to see a "real man" - they're usually nameless, shadow figures, or fictional characters from stories, video games, or anime shows, whereas with women, it's been a mixture of both.

    While I'd love to say with greater self-acceptance of same-sex attractions, opposite-sex attractions have flown off the radar, I'd be lying. True, my focus is on same-sex at the moment, but there seems to be a few hang ups; mental blocks, if you will. Any advice in getting over them would be helpful.
     
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    From forums I've read, it does seem pretty common for people to have trouble with emotional/romantic connections with the same gender while coming to terms with their sexuality. A lot of it has to do with social conditioning telling them that they want a relationship with the opposite gender. At the same time there are people who identify as having differing romantic and sexual attractions like a heteroromantic homosexual.

    Have you ever considered that you could be bi though?
    It is perfectly valid and ok to be attracted to more than one gender, and you seem to clearly be attracted to women. It really seems like the question is whether your attracted to men as well. For someone who is bi there isn't even always a perfect 50/50 split in how much they are attracted to each gender.
     
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    Honestly, I think "bisexual" has been suggested more than anything else, and not just on EC. At the moment, I'm not so concerned with labels or percentages, but in staying true to myself and accepting all parts of who I am, regardless of orientation. A good part of my time and energy has been used fighting internalized homophobia and accepting the possibility of being gay - I don't think it's possible to make valid judgments until both extremes are seen in a similar light.

    Right now, I'm more interested in pursuing relationships with men, but I wonder if my recent troubles with women helped push me in this direction? A bit of a late bloomer, I fell for many women, even ending up in two co-dependent, unhealthy flings, all of which took quite a bit of emotional toll. Perhaps a part of me decided to "shut down" and look for alternatives... I was pretty jaded, so my questioning phase started at a time when I wasn't exactly in a healthy state of mind.

    And I always assumed "pure" homosexuals experienced attraction much like I had with women, and wondered, "Wouldn't it be obvious by now?" Regardless, I'm looking forward to dates with men, as well as sex. So far, they've only been fantasies, but they've aroused me a lot more than female fantasies, or maybe just as much when they were first discovered? They fluctuate quite a bit.
     
  4. HEREIAM2

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    Sounds to me like you are bisexual with a preference for women, however you want to be gay. You won't "cure" your attraction to women any more than gay men will cure their's towards men. Nor should you want to. Wannabe gays are as problematic as wannabe straights (as I was)....be who you really are. In my view.....the porn one watches says it all. The fact you don't like penises is a giveaway too. In my case I will watch either gay porn or bi-porn and never straight porn. I don't mind a woman's backside and if given the chance will penetrate it and enjoy that to an extent. Hence I describe myself as predominately homosexual but not gay.
     
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    Thanks for the reply! I should say that while many gay men describe emotional attraction towards women and physical towards men, my situation seems reversed - I find it difficult to be turned on by a man just from looks or acts alone. There must be a strong emotional bond first, and in fact many of my same-sex dreams and fantasies involve such a connection. Those men who do turn me on physically are more on the feminine or androgynous side, as in, the type to be mistaken as female at first sight; sometimes twinks.

    Is it so wrong for a straight-leaning bisexual to want to pursue a relationship with another man? I'd be just as committed to making it work in the long-run, and don't feel labels should stop us from pursuing what our hearts want, and lately, that's what's been on my mind.

    And I've heard mixed messages on pornography: some say it's the key to determining where your attractions lie, while others can get off to and prefer pornography that doesn't match their orientation at all. See: lesbians watching gay male pornography. True, I've watched a few gay male videos, but that immediate "zap" I get with women was missing. I was curious, but if we're to look at my overall preferences, even now, it's mostly straight porn, with a focus on the woman.
     
  6. Starry Eyes

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    I'm having a similar experience in regards to my sexuality. I find women attractive, but not really their genitals. They do nothing for me. But a mans genitals turn me on and I definitely prefer them to a woman's. I also have had a lot of sexual fantasies recently involving men. For example wanting to meet a guy at the gym in the shower and give him oral sex.

    I've been wanting to get together with another guy for a relationship just to explore the idea of me being with a guy a little further.
     
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    For me it has been frustrating.. I have been in constant confusion my whole life. Well since puberty. I am now 31 years old and no closer to discovering myself than I was when I was 14 or so. My emotional attraction is almost always to women.. Sometimes and I mean sometimes I feel like I can date a guy, but never one specifically.. But I usually do not want to have sex with women, I usually only want to have sex with men..
     
  8. HEREIAM2

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    NO it is absolutely NOT wrong to pursue a relationship with another man if that is what feels right for you at the time. Obviously you are not a hard-core heterosexual and I am not suggesting as such (or you would not be here) ....if there is a need for male intimacy (and it does not gross you out).....go for it!
     
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    I can't kiss a guy... I've done it but I cannot get into it. I can get into it with a girl...

    But not with a guy... This poses a huge problem for me since I get disgusted over that..

    The problem with girls is that I get anxiety, although I'm straight at more core,.. I notice beautiful girls n I think of them in person when I see a goodlooking one even though there's the arousal conflict... I can tell a beautiful girl... I wish I could cut back on porn... Imaybe I'd regain some sexual attraction to women... I don't see how I can imagine sucking a Dick but I just cannot kiss a guy n like it lol