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female sexuality is really confusing

Discussion in 'Sexual Orientation' started by browneyedgirl, Feb 12, 2014.

  1. Not saying that sexuality in general is not confusing, including males, but I just find the more I read and talk to my girlfriends the more confused I get. Seems like females are more capable of being "fluid". A lot of my girlfriends have made out or even slept with another girl - but are still attracted to men.

    I myself identify as bisexual, I have crushes on guys, like sex with men, am married to a very dear man whom I still love very much. But there's just this other side I have not fully explored and I guess I am curious. I am also getting older and would like to understand my sexuality for once in my life. But there are just so many risks...
     
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    Females aren't more fluid than males it's only accepted and encouraged for them to be more fluid I think men are just as fluid but they hide it because it's not acceptable for them to be .
    Some of are just straight females than enjoy doing something taboo because girl on girl seems that way , and to impress there boyfriends or men they want to be with I don't think those girls are bi or lesbian or even bi curious .
     
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    I agree with stocking... Females just experiment more because it is more acceptable for them.

    Still, I agree about female sexuality being confusing. :slight_smile: As well as male sexuality... Heck, sexuality is altogether really confusing.
     
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    I think there's not as much of a stigma with girls liking girls as well as liking guys so maybe that's why female sexuality seems more fluid. I think a lot of people, myself included, find sexuality in general to be confusing and I know that's why it's taken me so long to figure out exactly how I want to identify myself.
     
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    Actually, studies have shown that female sexuality does tend to be more fluid.
    Men are less likely to identify as bi/pan, because they feel like they must choose one or the other maybe, and are less likely to be bi-curious.
    A study was done where a group of men and a group of women watched homosexual porn - both heterosexual and queer women experience arousal upon seeing two women being intimate.
    However, only queer men experienced arousal at seeing two men be intimate, heterosexual men did not (also, men who do experience arousal but identify as hetero are usually fiercely homophobic).
     
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    Porn is not a good indicator of anyone's sexual orientation so those studies are probably faulted . I don't believe women are more fluid at all it's more acceptable for them to be I bet if it were the same for men we would discover that both sexes are just as fluid .
     
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    Maybe, maybe not
     
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    Yeah we'll probably find out one of these days or years .
     
  9. Fallingdown7

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    I do agree that women can be more fluid in sexuality, but I don't know if porn is really a good indicator. I love gay male porn, but I'm a solid kinsey 6. It's not the dudes I'm attracted to, but the visuals of them enjoying each other. Most lesbian porn is really terrible and a lot of lesbians (including myself) hate it.
     
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    I completely agree. I know several girls who have made out with other girls just to impress guys. However if a girl were to ask them out they would get offended and be mad since they aren't really gay.
     
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    One thing that you have to take into account is that from a young age women are taught to be sexually repressed and focus more on things like some one's personality or other attributes rather than pure arousal and sex appeal. There is this huge overcast of "purity" that is more or less shoved on girls which is likely why women also do tend to come out later in life than men on average. They first need to unbuckle the idea that they actually do have sexual tendencies which are important THEN they have to go into the other stuff.

    Boys seem to be encouraged from a young age to pursue and more openly show off their heterosexuality. So, it would make sense that they are encouraged to be sexually aware earlier and hence realize sooner that they might be homosexual.

    Another thing to take into consideration is that female sexuality is not considered to be serious which is why women tend to have more freedom of physical expression with one another without being called lesbian. Men, on the other hand, if they were to do as much as hold another man's hand would be called gay. For them, it's almost as though society doesn't even allow a midway (bisexuality) or curiosity. This is probably why men also don't identify as bisexual as often because they can "only be one or the other".

    Also, I do find that some (not all) people who identify as bisexual are theoretically bisexual; as in, theoretically if they met some one who they liked who didn't align with their romantic orientation they would theoretically like the person. Maybe you've heard about when people say "love the person, not their genitalia", I do think that this statement has emotional appeal....whether or not some one really is gender blind or not...so then you have those mixed with the people who actually are in a sexual sense bisexual...and I do think that there are more "theoreticals" in the female category.

    Also, considering that female sexual objectification is much more widespread than male sexual objectification in society, could it also be said that it is more socially acceptable then for women to also find other women "hot"? Some how, I do think that this constant imagery of females in sexual situations can attune more women to associate the female sex with arousal...some thing to ponder about.

    Lastly, I do think that sexism does play a part too. Women for a long time have been told at least indirectly that lesbian sex isn't real sex and that they need a man in every aspect to feel complete....so then you have those women who actually are more towards the lesbian side of the spectrum but date men for the security...

    Seriously...I can write for ages on this, but this is just some of my thoughts.
     
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    There are plenty of women who would argue that it isn't fluid for them, and that they've never even experienced curiosity or interest in pursuing sexual relations with anyone outside of their orientation. Insinuating that sexuality is fluid for everyone would only undermine the experiences of millions who sit firmly in either camp, while contributing to double standards and myths that exist for bisexual men and women. Also, I'm not sure you can equate arousal with attraction, since they don't always work together (causation vs correlation), and how men and women respond sexually is physically different in some major ways. I can watch any type of porn and get aroused, but does that mean I'm attracted to every one of the actors/actresses I watch? It's the same when I'm taking a cold shower, wake up in the morning, or someone in a crowd brushes past me a certain way. In reality, sexuality is a very complex phenomenon, one that is experienced differently from person to person, and we still have much to learn about it.
     
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    I've explained this in other threads too, but the lesbian sex isn't real sex and you need a man also explains why women are more fluid and more open to experiment. If It's not real sex than they'll believe that It's a lesser deal to do so. On the other hand, penetrative sex is seen as higher/dominant/submissive, so men are not as fluid to explore because of fears that it threatens their masculinity.

    Of course all of this is sexist and wrong.



    Yes, sexuality is definitely not fluid for all women. I only like women, I've never had been curious about a man and I wouldn't want to start. I know plenty of straight girls that are also grossed out about touching girls. So although some people can be fluid I also think It's a dangerous mindset. Especially since lesbians are already undermined and treated like they need a man.

    I also agree on the point that women are stimulated/aroused sexually in different ways than men. Usually they can get physical arousal to anything sexual, even really disgusting and horrible things that they know is offputting to look at.
     
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    You have some good points.
     
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    As several folks said in a range of phrases: we all are complex:slight_smile:

    Yet, there might be a simplicity beneath all else. Love as you wish being bound only by honor and mutual respects,including self-respect. Give each other the Benediction of honesty and warm regards so we banish regrets.

    I feel that arousal and love can be separate spectrums from a center zero so to speak. Magic is when they both align for us and a resonant partner. Misery is having neither.

    The bittersweet of fears and risks can get more sweet and less bitter in a world of acceptances as we get less repressed. NEVER forget that we are often harsher on self than others, even if we have a blind spot baked into us by culture,media and so on. And thence we risk unprocessed conflicts. Seeing the sexuality of others can be daunting in dissonance?


    Above all else, love for YOU so the love for others is honest. Many cultures saturate femininity with derogatory imagery- UNfuck the repression .

    Complexity begs detail?
     
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    Bingo you nailed it Falling , I didn't think this far ahead about this but yes that's what it is .:thumbsup:
    Because to some straight girls and bisexual girls it's seen as just a fun time not actually sex . I was having a chat with my friend who is a bi girl and we were talking about what time we feel comfortable about having sex with women , I told her two months of dating when I get to know her a little bit and I feel comfortable with her then I'll have sex . She gave me a look like I was scary and said why make such a big deal out of it 2 months and said she would have sex with a girl in the same night of meeting her . I can tell right off the bat that having sex with a girl to her meant nothing really but just carefree sex and wasn't important or innocent fun . And she made fun of me and said No girl is gonna wanna date you waiting that long you need to have fun and get laid . what you said made me remember that chat and rang a bell in my head why she said that , she even thinks it's weird for me to put so much importance on having sex with a girl .
    This is one of the reasons well the only reason I hate Katy Perry .:rolle:
     
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    Ironically, I wouldn't even be comfortable doing it in two months. I'd rather wait two years at least where I feel that the level of trust could be at It's maximum. I have very low trust issues when it comes to sex because the first time is so important to me, that I'm afraid that the hostility between my partner and I will be massive if I don't wait until I'm fully ready.

    Now with a guy, I would be fine with going all the way with him on the first night. To me, penile penetrative sex is just casual fooling around that has no significance. Yet when I say that to straight girls (or some bi girls even) they get all offended/defensive. But yet they can devalue lesbian sex like it's a fact that it doesn't mean anything or change you?

    I don't mind what their belief is for their own life and experiences, but to police my own sexual experiences and feelings because of the patriarchy is what makes me mad.
     
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    I agree with you for me penile penetrative sex has no significance and it's just fooling around . I can't stand the patriarchy it annoys me and even my friend does this to me she can't get how I can not like guys or want to do anything with them .
     
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    stocking said it right! we are all humans, females are not more fluid. Males tend to hide it? you all know why, because guy on guy is looked down upon in society, among men. If a man ever told another man he is curious or was curious or slept with a guy they would bash on his manliness even though he is no less manly. and no one is less manly, all men are manly. being gay dont make you less manly. anyways...this is why mens "sexual fluidity" is repressed. Its not the fact females have more, its all the same!