Discussion - Cause of sexual orientation

I'm going to go ahead and say if your source is "Orthodox" ANYTHING I'm not going to be believing the results without further backup.

 

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It's an interesting read, and maybe it's a bit of both, a little bit of genetics and a little bit of nurture. The one thing that's for sure, It's not a choice and I think most people on here will agree with that.

 

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I think the predisposition is genetic.

I think that what happens along the way causes it to kick into gear.

Everyone has a different life story. While not as common, some guys who become hairdressers like women exclusively their whole lives. Then, you have guys who are professional athletes, and who had to fight off women, who aren't interested in them. I bet they have some interesting stories to tell about childhood fantasies, playing doctor, circle jerks, seductions, or lack thereof. It's easy to put some things into tidy piles. However, sexuality is not one of them.

I think it's developmental heaped onto a latent and/or innate personality trait. For those who have it, it won't take much for it to kick into gear. As for identical twin studies, I once read it was 52%, and about half is sort of "meh."

Add: this topic will always be a "hot button," controversial, interesting, potentially scientific, and merits discussion. My 2 cents.

 

I recently read some blogs on genes, well, causing religous tendencies in their bearers. Identical twin studies, too. Who knows. Sometimes i think my being a lesbian is caused by a lack of freudian triangulation. A father, but an emotional inexisting one and the lack of social training on how to relate in a female way to males. This might be an even more controversial position, i guess.

 

It's not genetics, it's a combination of factors, but the biggest one is prenatal hormones. Most of sexual orientation is determined in the womb. I have a link to a study too. And my link isn't from a site with an obvious agenda. http://psych.colorado.edu/~carey/pdffiles/cah_berenbaum01.pdf

 

I have from several other sources about the identical twin thing being a pretty low (I know two sets of twins where one is gay and one isn't; only 1 pair is identical though), but this source seems pretty biased so I'm not sure it's trustworthy in the slightest.

 

One of my friends is an identical twin, he's gay and his brother is straight.
The argument could go both ways -
They were both brought up the same way, with the same parents and the same opportunities for being "influenced", yet they both turned out completely different.

Apparently they had a lot of tests done when they were younger to find out how "identical" they are biologically, and they were very very very similar.
So the other side of the argument is, if their biological makeup was as close to being identical as you can get, then it must have been environmental / nurture.

They also have completely different jobs and interests.

I personally believe in souls, so I'm more inclined to see neither of the above as true and that their souls (whether 'new' or 'old') are different.

Peace be with you.

 

Just so you know, in the future it's not too hard to figure out what sites are reputable, I barely had to look at that site to see it had clear biases. Heres a link to some hints. Helpful Hints to Help You Evaluate the Credibility of Web Resources

One tip that they don't give you, is to look for high level domain names. A .gov or .edu site is going to be more trustable than a .com site. Also look for information that comes from the websites of reputable organizations, like choosing the American Psychological Association for something about mental health, rather than some guys blog. Or the FDA's website rather than an illegal online pharmacy website.

 

No one is born gay?... Ha haha hahahah
Man. If you had seen me at three years old, covered in scrapes, going on a "big hunt" with my hair pulled up in a baseball cap so no one would think I was a girl... Wearing a bearded dragon shirt... You would never have thought I was straight. I chased girls around in kindergarten with some critter I caught just to creep them out so they would pay attention to me. I was queer even back then at 4 years old.

 

This study looks interesting thanks for sharing the link. I've always been in interested in the Finger Ratio (2D:4D) studies being as I'm a bio female with lower (masculine) finger ratio and I've noticed other lesbians often display the same trait.

This quote form the linked study seeing as this thread referenced identical twins:

"A study of finger ratio in female monozygotic
twins provided an innovative control for genetic and
environmental background factors [252] and showed a
relation between finger ratio and sexual orientation. In
female twins discordant for sexual orientation, the lesbian
twin had a significantly lower (masculinized) finger ratio in
both hands compared to her heterosexual co-twin; in twins
concordant for sexual orientation, there was no difference in
finger ratio."

 

This reminds me of the report a scientist that was a Neurosurgeon did about Sociopaths. He noticed that Sociopaths brains were different in structure. He was looking at all these brains one day and realized that one he was looking at, with this structure, was his own. He was not a Sociopath. He is an acclaimed scientist and Neurosurgeon.

I believe that gay people are born with certain genes that, if activate, make one gay. This would mean that even identical twins would not correlate at 100%. After all, even twins have different experiences, and one may get an illness or virus that causes the gene switch to turn on, and the other could not. No one has the exact same experiences in life. Even with the same set of parents. Too many variables. Their study is flawed.