1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Your feelings toward men?

Discussion in 'Sexual Orientation' started by TheStormInside, Jun 17, 2014.

  1. TheStormInside

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2014
    Messages:
    1,308
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    New England, US
    I feel that the primary difficulty for many of us (or at least for myself) in determining the most accurate label for ourselves is that we're only ever born into our own perspective. I feel like if I could jump into a typically straight person's mind for a day, things would become so much clearer. I'd have a basis for comparison of my own feelings. As things are, it's of course impossible, so all we can do is use these symbols and sounds called language to try to communicate complex feelings to one another, and weigh them against our own.

    So I ask you, with your symbols to convey to me, those of you who know you are attracted to men (whether bi, gay, or straight) what it is about men that attracts you, and how you feel when attracted. What goes through your mind/body? For me, my attraction to women is fairly clear. When I see a pretty girl I want to look at her. I get nervous and hope she doesn't notice me noticing. I occasionally get "turned on." With men it's more confusing. I can notice attractive guys, but it seems to happen a lot less than with women. I feel myself looking for attractive things about them, whereas with women, I just notice with less conscious thought. But I still feel nervous around attractive guys, and a bit intimidated, too. I'm not sure if I get that "turned on" feeling, if I do it's much less noticeable than it is with an attractive girl.
     
  2. DominoSuis

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2014
    Messages:
    61
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Scotland
    As someone still questioning, here's my two cents.

    I notice women more than men but worry that I'm not sexually attracted. As for men, I tens to form romantic relationships rather than physical admiration. So whilst I'm not sure, I candefinitely say I think about men because it's what I'm used to and expect.
     
  3. I notice women more than men also because I feel like there are more attractive women around. That being said when I'm out and about and I see an attractive guy, I usually get butterflies and have to stop myself from smiling. I have a thing for guys with strong arms and I will sometimes have sexual fantasies when seeing guys who are in shape.

    I wasn't always like that with guys though. I'm 30, and the attraction to just a man's body has only come about in the last 4 years.

    I consider myself a bit demisexual with women and cannot attain a sexual attraction without getting to know the woman 1st. When I notice a beautiful woman, it's usually that I want to look like her. If she is wearing revealing clothing then I could get turned on but it doesn't elicit a response like guys do.
     
  4. Yosia

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2014
    Messages:
    1,791
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    England
    I dont even know. I just fall for them.
     
  5. Fallingdown7

    Fallingdown7 Guest

    I'm not attracted to men, but I might be able to offer some objective input.

    People that are attracted to men generally don't just admire how they look, but desire to have sex with them in some way and/or be involved with them romantically. The desire to have sex can be anything from "He's hot, I would screw him right now" to "He's cute but I could only imagine being sexual with him after we're in love/married". I think the indicator for being a straight girl or a gay guy (or a bisexual) however, is to desire that in some way.

    However...

    Even exclusive lesbians (6 on the kinsey scale) can show some feeling for men that other people can mistake for an 'attraction'. Some lesbians think men are good looking and joke about how 'hot' he is, while an even larger number enjoy watching men involved in porn or sexual situations (Straight or gay porn, or even male masturbation). This still makes them lesbians though since they don't like the idea of actually having sex with these men.

    You can see that a lot of lesbians who have some 'attraction' to men are confused because of this. You see a lot of topics that ask 'Am I a lesbian- I think men are good-looking'. We are conditioned by society; in an old-age belief that women *need* men, and we're *supposed* to be attracted to them. Meanwhile, straight women commonly call women sexy and no one doubts they are straight (especially since they can say that with no sexual curosity at all), but a lesbian has to doubt herself for thinking a man is good-looking since society will push on her it means that she wants them.

    As for me, yes I do find men attractive to look at. But I also find puppies and kittens attractive to look at. However, I am not a zoophile for saying an animal is "cute" so neither should I be considered straight/bisexual for saying the same about men. My sexuality is based on the fact I have no sexual desire for men and sleeping with one would feel wrong.
     
  6. confusedmale

    confusedmale Guest

    Im not turned on by many guys, I think for me its physical attraction, the hair, the nice smile, tone body (not extreme), but even more of a turn on is how they act and carry themselves. Confident but not overpowering.
     
  7. DominoSuis

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2014
    Messages:
    61
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Scotland
    Slightly off topic, but I fall outside this category. I constantly question whether I'm gay or straight because I find women beautiful and think I fancy the idea of sex, and my opinion on men are "sometimes attractive" and "I don't fancy that penis being involved". Any advice on that?
     
  8. Fallingdown7

    Fallingdown7 Guest

    Hmmm...well that can depend and It's honestly up to you to discover that.
    A lot of straight women think women are beautiful (A lot of my friends are even obsessed with boobs lol) but what makes them straight is no sexual or romantic interest in women. If you fancy the idea of sex, it could make you lesbian, bisexual, or bi-curious heterosexual.

    For men that also depends. You can find men good-looking without it being an attraction to them, and the reverse. Not liking a penis being involved can depend; some straight women think penises look 'gross' but still want to do sexual things with men, so I think that's the deciding factor.

    I don't think physical attractions plays into sexuality as much as people think. I know I'm gay but I don't think a lot of women are physically appealing (I don't think they're ugly either; I'm just indifferent). It's more with the fact that I have a very picky and selective list of 'physical traits' I like and feel more attracted to the emotional connection and such.
     
  9. I romantically like them a lot, but I'm barely sexually attracted to them. Whenever I try to think about sex with a man, well, let's just say I can't think about it for long. However, when a man is really nice and sensitive - I just love that. If I would see a cute/handsome man in the store or even on TV, I would probably have a few butterflies for a minute, but then forget about him once he's out of my sight lol. Even though I feel like my romantic feelings are just a teeny tiny bit more for them, I think that once I really start to get to know a woman and form that bond, I actually think the love is more lasting that just those little crushes I have on men.

    So, yeah, I guess that describes my feelings towards men!! You definitely do seem more attracted to women - And you might be intimidated by guys maybe just because they are a guy - Not necessarily that you are attracted to them - But since I haven't known many guys before personally, sometimes I wonder how should I act around a guy and get nervous. That could be it for you, but I don't know! Either way, I hope you keep finding more and more security in who you are, you seem to not be as questioning as before, which is good! :slight_smile:
     
  10. Nychthemeron

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2014
    Messages:
    3,084
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    Tennessee, USA
    Gender:
    Male
    Gender Pronoun:
    He
    Sexual Orientation:
    Bisexual
    Out Status:
    Some people
    Let's put it this way. If you asked me to search up cute boys or cute girls on Google images, I'm going to search up "cute birds".

    Er, boys.
     
  11. stocking

    stocking Guest

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2013
    Messages:
    7,542
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    New England
    Gender:
    Female
    Sexual Orientation:
    Lesbian
    Their ok as friends but that's about it the minute they cross that line they piss me off friendship is over . I'm lesbian and still think some men look attractive and find them attractive but what makes me gay is I don't want to sleep with them or date them . I only want that with women .

    ---------- Post added 17th Jun 2014 at 11:46 AM ----------

    Omg I love this answer
     
    #11 stocking, Jun 17, 2014
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2014
  12. TheStormInside

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2014
    Messages:
    1,308
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    New England, US
    Thank you all for your thoughtful responses!

    I guess I sometimes get the smiley flutter feeling when I see a cute guy. I think there's also a lot of nervousness around them, for me, too. I don't know if it's because I'm attracted, or because I just find men a bit intimidating. If anything the nervousness makes me less interested rather than more, though, because it kicks in that social anxiety "flight mode" :icon_redf . I don't think I ever really fantasize sexually about guys, but I do occasionally get a mild "turned on" feeling.

    This was very helpful, thank you! The more I think on it, the less I feel like I want to be with a guy, and would prefer a woman. But I also worry that I'm pushing myself in one direction or the other because I don't want to have to deal with the confusion of liking both. I also get rather anxious and tense around guys and I worry that that could be clouding some of my feelings, or might be causing me to think I would rather date women.

    I see a lot of people saying to consider if you can picture yourself with a man, or with a woman. For me this doesn't seem to help much, I'm an artist and very good at visualizing. I can picture myself kissing either, heck, I can picture myself kissing a monkey (and no, I do not have any desire to make out with non human primates). Either way, when I think about sex with a man it makes me feel very nervous. I feel very vulnerable. Basically, how I felt when I would make out with my ex bf. I don't know if this is just my anxiety talking, though, or a genuine repulsion. I think maybe it's this idea that I could "tolerate" sex with a guy I keep clinging to, and I probably need to realize that that just doesn't make any sense. Why should I force myself to tolerate it? If I think about sex with a woman, it makes me nervous but also a bit happy or excited. And I suppose that's an important contrast. Maybe I'm just having trouble fully acknowledging that I am probably gay, and anxiety is a convenient excuse? I feel like I have had romantic attractions to men in the past, but sexually, I'm unsure. Maybe occasionally? And the romantic attractions make things all the more confusing.

    Your attractions to men sound pretty similar to mine, except that I have them really infrequently. Like, I might be pleased to see a cute nerd boy, for example. And very very occasionally I have met one or two that I liked romantically. But for me, the sexual component feels a little like throwing a wrench in the gears. I just assumed I was probably asexual, for a long time. I'm still not extremely sexual but now that I'm paying attention to it and letting it happen, it's definitely there.

    Thanks! I have been feeling more secure lately, though occasionally I'm hit with waves of doubt. I am definitely more attracted to women than men. I guess the question of the hour is whether I am attracted to men enough that I would consider still trying to date them or not. At times I also feel this is all very unreal, and I worry my brain is pulling some kind of trick on me, and next week I'll say "Storm, what the heck were you thinking?" Unlikely, I know.

    I'm not totally sure why I get nervous around guys, either. I think I worry a lot they think I'm unattractive and thus not worth talking to. Which makes me wonder, does that mean I am attracted to them? I don't know :bang: They also just have a different energy that feels more imposing. As I mentioned in another thread, it may be more to do with "daddy issues" than anything else, as my father was very critical all the time and had a hair trigger temper when I was growing up. Fortunately he's mellowed over time.


    Well, I guess all you can do in that case is express clearly you're not interested in men in that way. If they don't want to be friends anymore, that sucks, but it probably also means they weren't a genuine friend in the first place.
     
    #12 TheStormInside, Jun 17, 2014
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2014
  13. stocking

    stocking Guest

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2013
    Messages:
    7,542
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    New England
    Gender:
    Female
    Sexual Orientation:
    Lesbian
    That is so true I'm dealing with that right now
     
  14. sldanlm

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2013
    Messages:
    1,322
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Eastern U.S.A. commuter
    Gender:
    Female
    Gender Pronoun:
    She
    Sexual Orientation:
    Bisexual
    Out Status:
    Some people
    I have no physical attraction to men in general whatsoever, yet I have a strong attraction to one guy in particular. I don't know why that is yet.
     
  15. Nightdream

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2014
    Messages:
    401
    Likes Received:
    12
    Location:
    Brazil
    Gender:
    Other
    Gender Pronoun:
    He
    Sexual Orientation:
    Bisexual
    Out Status:
    Some people
    I may experience aesthetic attraction towards men and even fantasize about them(the latter only happened with male fictional characters though :icon_redf), but I never felt anything besides that.
     
  16. Teslahemian

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2014
    Messages:
    19
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    St. Louis
    Gender:
    Male
    Sexual Orientation:
    Gay
    Out Status:
    A few people
    Hahahaha! I have a bit of the same thing going on in my mind, but, for me, it's the opposite, switch the genders.

    I'm not sure what it is exactly, but I've just felt this way since probably around middle school age; though, I just, for the most part, came to terms with it recently. But, generally, I feel, much like you, in that my attraction to the same sex seems more natural, all encompassing, and less conscious, where my attraction to the opposite sex seems more like I'm finding particular qualities attractive, and it's more conscious, like I'm trying to explain to myself why I find myself attracted.

    Who knows? The only thing I know is that I have a lot more to learn about myself. :icon_wink
     
  17. paris

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Messages:
    813
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Bohemia, CZ
    Gender:
    Androgyne
    Gender Pronoun:
    Other
    Sexual Orientation:
    Other
    Out Status:
    A few people
    I don't know, Storm, but I think you are over thinking it way too much. On one hand you're attracted to women in a way that's pretty obvious and can be spotted a mile away, while on the other hand you have that "something" towards men that even when you stand a meter away you don't know what that something is but you keep looking at it and try seeing it through a magnifying glass so maybe you could take a better glance of it.
    I think that when you are attracted to someone you know it right away, you don't need to analyze and ask "hm, am I or am I not?", you just know you are, the same way you're sure with women. I may be wrong but it seems to me that you're not genuinely attracted to men then.

    (In my case, I just go with what outweighs right now and it's, in every possible aspect, women. I don't care to what extend I'm attracted to men, if the F:M ratio is 100:0 or 90:10, or if I'm even attracted to them, I just go with what feels right for now. :icon_wink)
     
  18. jahow95

    Full Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2014
    Messages:
    329
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    London, England
    I would try to look back in history as a better indicator, because your feelings can be all over the place at any one time. Just an example, for a couple of weeks I convinced myself I was gay, even going to the length of changing my 'looking for' status on ###### to women and men. I then realised I didn't actually want to meet any guys and my attraction wasn't what i thought it was, even though I'd thought it was pretty strong. I'm still not sure of my sexuality as things are all over the place at the moment, but looking back in my short history of sexual attraction does help me more than looking at what I think I feel right now.

    In conclusion, if you get a few feelings of attraction, even as long as for a few months, I would still take more notice of what your history of attraction is.
     
  19. TheStormInside

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2014
    Messages:
    1,308
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    New England, US
    I guess maybe consider your sexual orientation a good way to weed out the assholes? :lol:

    I can totally relate. If you think you could make a relationship work and desire both a romantic and sexual relationship with this guy, you shouldn't hold yourself back, though :slight_smile:

    Yeah, I guess that's a common theme here on this forum, all trying to learn more about ourselves. I totally understand your frustration. I see you've labeled yourself gay here, did you decide the attraction to women is negligible enough to identify that way, or are you just kind of trying it out?

    Paris, you're absolutely right that I'm overthinking :icon_redf. It's what I do. I will analyze and pick apart the pieces of something until there's absolutely nothing left. In some circumstances it can be helpful, but in others, like here, probably less so.

    I think I'm having a hard time reconciling some of my past feelings with my current attractions. I think I'm probably also still really afraid of the prospect of being gay and maybe I'm grasping at straws because of that. I'm also scared of being wrong, and going down a path that would be needlessly more difficult if that were the case. Maybe I'm still in a little bit of denial.

    It's great that you don't worry about how to define your attractions and are able to go with what feels right in the moment. For me I like to have concrete answers. I also feel like I'm lonely, and that my clock is ticking and I want to get into a relationship. To get into a relationship I need to come out. To come out, I feel like I need, or at least want to have a fairly accurate word with which to describe myself, and to guide myself in the right "direction" as the type of people to look for. But I guess before any of that can happen I need to be more open to myself and accepting, as well. It's really hard for me to just sit back and let things happen without the constant background chatter of that logical brain, but I suppose it's something I will have to work on.

    Thanks, jahow, that is sound advice. I have been thinking on both past and present a lot. I have a history of crushing on both genders. As far as sexual attraction, I guess I've been lacking up until recently, or if it was there it was under the radar. At the moment, as I mentioned, it's mostly directed toward women. When I think about myself and my very low level of interest in guys in general when I was younger, it makes me think the attractions I've had as I've gotten a bit older have been more out of a desire for heteronormativity and so called "domestic bliss" than a sexual attraction. Though I would say I have had romantic crushes on men that felt genuine, and that's what tends to confuse things. I don't really like the term, but I guess as I mentioned in another thread, biromantic lesbian may be the most accurate way to describe myself as I see it at the moment, anyway.
     
    #19 TheStormInside, Jun 18, 2014
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2014
  20. jahow95

    Full Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2014
    Messages:
    329
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    London, England
    If you've gotten to this point in your life and you still haven't got a clue about what your sexuality is, maybe you should just stop trying to label yourself, or just come out as pansexual and leave it at that.
    I know personally I would want to know my own label, but it just seems that for you that trying to work it out isn't actually helping. Maybe you should just forget about it and do whatever feels right, and date, or not, anyone you want.