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Being a bisexual Christian

Discussion in 'Sexual Orientation' started by Jguy365, Jul 22, 2014.

  1. Jguy365

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    Ok. Before I write anything else, here is a disclaimer. I realize that this is a very sensitive issue that can cause heated arguments. If you are here to say bad things about Christianity, please don't post. We don't need that kind if negativity here. Ok? Good. Here goes.

    Just a couple of days ago, I realized that I am bisexual. I have accepted it and have told three of my friends. Telling those friends really took a lot of pressure off of my shoulders, but there is one thing that is still bearing weight on me:What this means about my relationship with God.

    I am a very firm Christian and love God through and through. I have seen how He works in my life when I truly seek Him with my heart and pray. He is always there, but being homosexual is a sin to Him. It's because it's not the way that He intended the world to be and that's not why He made man. He made man and women as partners so they could full the earth and subdue it. As a gay, that is impossible. But that was in Genesis when the world was just starting out. Now the world is overpopulated and the need to "fill the earth and subdue it" isn't as necessary. I feel like if I end up becoming gay, it will shatter my relationship with God, and I just can't let that happen.

    I welcome all NICE and THOUGHTFUL comments. Say what you have to say with class and an understanding of my feelings. No negativity, please.

    Thanks all.
     
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    The bible says for others to love everyone, and that includes the LGBT. True Christians are not homophobic. It is not what Jesus would do, would he? You won't go to hell for feeling that you are attracted to the same sex. You can still maintain a relationship with God, and go to heaven.

    However, Christians, do prejudice against the LGBT... So...
     
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    God doesn't give a shit about who does it for you. It's not a "sin". The Bible has been taken out of context to justify that drivel.

    He has PLENTY of other things to worry about. Like, y'know, murder... rape... etc. There is no harm in a loving relationship between two people of the same gender.

    And if somehow there WAS, then "God" is a sadistic/cruel asshole and you should want nothing to do with such a warped being. You can't claim that you're all about love and then condemn it when it's between two guys or two gals. I'd rather burn in the worst type of hell than spend another second of my life wasting my thoughts on such a god.

    But we both know that's not the case. You have nothing to worry about.
     
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    I am still dealing with this. It's hard because there are few books out there for us. There's the Matthew Vines book for our gay friends, but it leaves us in a lurch, doesn't it? I believe God still loves us. I think a lot of verses are taken out of context for homosexuality. I've grown up an evangelical church(small denom. based in your state actually).

    It's important to note that the Levitical law was for the preservation of the Israelites. We don't practice it today. The sin at Sodom was attempted gang rape. The New Testament verses are likely referring to male prostitution. There were no such long-term gay relationships in those times, just flings. I invite you to do a Hebrew/Greek word study on the passages in question. Fine thread here also: http://emptyclosets.com/forum/famil...-advice-conservative-parents.html#post2066274

    The thing that bugs me upon further reflection about Focus on the Family is they say they are pro-family, but yet they stand against marriage equality. If you want less cheating people and promiscuity to be curbed, you should support marriage as it will encourage monogamous relationships. I grew up listening to Dobson, attended Promise Keepers, and was very active in the youth group.

    You don't have to abandon your personal relationship with God because of who you love.
     
  5. Wuggums47

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    Hello, I too am a bisexual Christian. I don't believe in the interpretations of certain biblical passages that people take to be anti gay. For example people say "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve". To that I say no frakking duh. If the first couple where gay or lesbian the human race would have died with them. But I'm not sure I subscribe to the most literal interpretation of the Book of Genesis. If we took at at face value as something to model ourselves after, it would tell us that incest is right, think about it for a second.

    Also it's worth noting that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah is explicitly stated to have been their wickedness and inhospitality(They tried to assault Gods' Angels). They where not destroyed because some of the people where gay. If cities with gay people in them must be destroyed for their wickedness, God would have had to destroy every city, because all cities have it.

    The sin of Onan wasn't spilling the seed in general, it was for refusing to impregnate his brothers widow. Considering he was one of the first humans and not many other women where availiable, this isn't as unreasonable a request as it is today, but still he didn't do it. That's why he was killed, he disobeyed a direct order from God.

    Leviticus is where the only anti gay passage is. It also says we are abominations and should be put to death. It's right next to the laws that say eating shrimp and wearing a 30% cotton shirt is an abomination. In addition it says that if a woman touches a man's tentacles to defend her husband, her hand should be cut off. Do these laws sound like something that should be obeyed? Some evidence shows that much of the book of Leviticus was written for the Pharisees to follow, not the laypeople. If you don't believe that those passages are in there, then get out your Bible and Check, it's all there. But when you're done read the entire New Testament. Do you ever once hear Jesus spreading intolerance towards gay people? Does he ever say they are undeserving of God's love? Does it ever say you should deny people their rights because you hate them? Or does it say to love everyone, even your enemy. Furthermore, when Peter built the Church, he and the apostles had a disagreement. Some said that the new church must be only for the Jewish people, and that all the laws of the Torah must be followed. Ultimately Peter won out, and decided we didn't have to follow the laws contained in Leviticus, and that nobody should be excluded from Christianity because of who they are. This is a message that the religious right seem to have long forgot about.]

    Most religious people seem to believe that gay people could never follow Christian values. I disagree with this, we aren't all party animals who take ecstasy and then have casual sex. In fact the vast majority of us aren't. What most want is to find someone to love, same as everyone else. And it is nobody's place to tell them they can't.

    Also take a look at the extremes on both side. The most extreme on the gay side are people who go out in the streets and protest, demanding equality. The most extreme right winged religious group is the Westboro Baptist Church. They protest too, at the funerals of gay veterans holding up signs that say "God hates f*gs". They are strongly anti-American too, they claim the 9/11 attacks where divine retribution for the amount of gay people in our country. When you look at the extremes, you can see which side is right.
     
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    I'm Jewish and read an interesting book by a gay rabbi about homosexuality in the Old Testament and the Jewish tradition. His ultimate conclusion from looking at the translation and historical interpretations and context is that the original prohibition in Leviticus came from a desire to ban male-male rape intended to humiliate the victim and had nothing to do with banning consensual loving male-male relationships.

    I have several devoutly Christian gay friends, and they have found ways to reconcile their faith with their sexual orientation. Those are not mutually exclusive things at all.
     
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    Thanks for your nice responses! It's very confusing, but God never listed homosexuality as an unforgivable sin. The only unforgivable sin is denying the Spirit. I think I will be ok for now. I will keep asking God to guide me and show me the path that He wants me to take. After all, if I ask Him to lead me and I end up with a boyfriend, how can I say that it is against God if He led me to that point? We'll see how things pan out in time.
     
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    I'm not a Christian (atheist in fact), but I have to ask since this question is directed to Christians so I assume there are some hanging around this thread. How do you guys deal with the whole "not being able to get married" thing? Although I would prefer to get married to someone I love, I don't need it to have a relationship. However, back when I was a Christian, marriage meant more to me then just a public declaration of my love to someone. It was necessary for you and your partner to be joined together with God (or to have sex for some people). Are you guys in denominations where same sex marriage is allowed? I can open a new thread if you want me to... I just thought I'd ask it here.
     
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    How do your friends reconcile it? I am having trouble accepting both christianity and my homosexuality; I find it difficult because the church doesn't fully accept people like me and on the other hand I don't fully accept the church and I'm wondering which came first.
     
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    Friend, I too believe in God. And I'm a lesbian. Being gay, or whatever, will not shatter your relationship with Him. With the Church probably. But God's message is full of love, acceptance and forgiveness. The Gospels are testament to that. He also says, repeatedly, not to be afraid. So if you're straight, gay or whatever it will not matter as long as you strive to help and do good.
     
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    It's different for each of them, but they generally place more of an emphasis on faith and good works and less on prohibitions against specific practices. And they've found churches that are accepting, which is huge.

    I know one friend has said really good things about this organization: https://www.gaychristian.net/
     
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    My church has 2 gay employees on staff, but nobody has gotten a same sex marriage there. It is still illegal in Indiana. It was legal for a grand total of one day until the government revoked having passed it into legality. They then proceeded to make the marriage licenses issued on that day null and void. Isn't that just plain evil?
     
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    Here is a most interesting Bible passage:

    Romans 8:13-10
    Love Fulfills the Law
    8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
     
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    Hi Jguy,

    there isn't really very much that is homophobic in the Bible. There's that infamous line from Leviticus, but really, if we are going to slavishly follow that, we had better also stone folks who work on a Saturday, right? - because it says that in Leviticus as well! And of course we won't, nor should we, but I think you can see how silly it is, to pluck just one line out of Leviticus, use it to condemn an entire group of innocent folks, and then conveniently ignore the rest! So really, despite many mainstream Christians being homophobic, their attitude is far from justified, going by the Bible itself (and yes, I have read most of it, and the Gospels a few times over). The essential thing isn't a line or two from the O.T.; what matters, as I understand it, is following in the footsteps of Jesus himself: embodying all of those good and kind principles he spoke of. And feel free to correct me if you can, but I simply don't recall reading any condemnation of gays or lesbians by Jesus himself. Other scholars etc maybe, but not by J.C. In fact he was exceedingly accepting of the types of folks normally regarded as 'outcast' in Jewish society at that time: prostitutes, tax collectors, and the like. He would associate with them, dine with them, even allow them to physically touch him. I just don't see how mainstream Christianity can justify it's homophobic stance when we consider that, as far as we know, Jesus wasn't like that at all, if anything, quite the opposite - he would have accepted and embraced them, just as he did everyone else. As I understand it, what he did condemn was unkindness, hypocrisy, and other mean and selfish qualities - not someone's sexuality. I'm not a Christian myself, but as far as I'm concerned, if you have those Christ-like qualities of love and compassion, if you really try to walk in his footsteps - then your relationship with God is just fine, whether you are straight, gay, bi, or whatever. What matters isn't your sexuality, but the purity of your heart.

    NB: I've no particular religion, but I do have an interest in walking the spiritual life authentically - however someone chooses to do that, I would seek to support them in that.

    Damien. :slight_smile:
     
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    i won't get into the Old Testament, if you want a good analysis look up "a letter to Louise" on the Pflag website. but for the Gospels, the only reference that i know of to homosexuality, albeit an oblique one, is in Matthew 19. the Roman Centurion came to Jesus and asked Him to heal his male slave. in those days a male slave to a male master was most likely in a homosexual relationship and since the centurion was looking for Jesus to heal him there was very likely a loving relationship between them. Jesus, when confronted with this relationship could have, if gay relationships were so abhorrent to Him made a statement on the issue and refused to heal the slave. instead Jesus said, "take me to him" the Centurion replied that if Jesus merely said the word the slave would be healed. Jesus replied "never have I, in all of Judea, seen such faith" and this was from a Gentile and a Roman.

    so i ask are we truly hated by God? or by men who twist His word to suit his own biases and hatred.
     
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    Ugh, that really sucks, I'm sorry.
     
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    and He loves you. You are not a sinner, you are not bad, you are not immoral. He made you to love and he loves you.
     
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    I have been watching YouTube videos made by Christians about this debate, and I have come to this conclusion:

    I am bisexual. There's no denying it anymore. But I'm a Christian through and through. I love God and I have seen how He has worked in my life. Thus far, I can look back on every major occurrence in my life and find a reason to understand it through events that have happened later. God has NEVER taken me down a useless path. In fact, I ask Him every night to lead me down HIS path, to take my hand, pick me up, dust me off, and lead me. Why then, would He lead me to a path that takes me away from Him?
    Now, I have done homosexual things that are sins such as watching gay porn, lusting for the bodies of men for sexual pleasure, exchanging pictures...I am a sinner. These things happen. But when I realized that I was bisexual and started to admit it, I lost the desire to give into those bad habits.The realization that I actually had some romantic interest in men made me realize that saving myself for a man is just as special and right as saving myself for a woman. God saved me from my sin by making me realize that I am bisexual! So long as gay people are truly in a romantic commitment and not gay exclusively for sexual pleasure or a quick thrill, and as long as they don't lay down with 1,000 different men, it is ok! It's just that simple.
     
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    You know, I don't consider myself a devout Christian, but I do have a firm belief in God, I say my prayers at night, and go to church on Sundays.

    When I go to church, or when I pray to God or ask for His help or intercession in my life, I can't help wondering if I'm actually going to burn in the fires of hell, and there are times when I feel horrible and wonder why I have to be gay.

    But the Bible states that we are all made in the image and likeness of God, that God created the first man to resemble God. And I believe that God made me this way for a reason. And I can choose to deny my sexuality, but I don't.

    I choose to accept the fact that I am gay because it is as much a god-given part of me as my eye color or the makeup of my DNA. It's ingrained in me, something I was born with and cannot change. And if I am truly made in the image of God, then bisexuality or homosexuality is just another trait that I was given so I could be more perfect, like the God that created me. It's not a blessing or a curse, it's just a piece of me.