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female sexuality question

Discussion in 'Sexual Orientation' started by freeapril, Jul 23, 2014.

  1. freeapril

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    Hi everyone! I have been lurking around here for a while, but this is my first time starting a thread! Thanks for reading :slight_smile:

    Since I have started questioning, I have been looking on the internet to try to find out what my feelings mean, and I have come up with a lot of confusing information about how female sexuality is fluid, the female body is sexualized in our society, lots of women like to watch lesbian love scenes, etc. So I thought I would throw out some of the things I have been thinking about and see if you guys think they are normal straight thoughts or signs I might be bisexual or lesbian. I know I am the only one who can answer that question, but I would appreciate your advice or thoughts! Thanks!

    So here are a few things that started me questioning my sexuality:

    -I noticed that I get turned on watching two women kissing in a movie. So I have tried watching different kissing/sex scenes in movies, and I have found that I am always turned on watching two women. With hetero scenes, I sometimes find it arousing and sometimes it is a turn off.
    -Male nudity does nothing for me, but I find sexy pictures of women arousing.
    -I definitely remember there were certain girls in school I noticed who I felt were really beautiful, and I was unable to look them in the eye, got butterflies in the stomach around them, etc. However, I have felt butterflies around guys, too. With the girls, I always tried not to notice those thoughts, whereas with the guys I allowed myself to notice my attraction, but nothing ever happened from it.

    So what I am confused about is that I have read online that lots of women like watching two women together because it focuses more on what gives women pleasure while hetero scenes focus on the man enjoying it more, and that it is normal for women to find the female body beautiful and check women out, etc. So, what do you guys think?

    Thanks so much!:icon_bigg
     
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    Hi, freeapril. I would not consider myself an expert by any means, but I would say that finding nude images of women arousing and feeling those "butterflies" and checking other women out means you are attracted to women. :slight_smile:

    It also sounds like you may be inundating yourself with a bit too much information at this early stage and causing yourself more confusion than is necessary. I mean, those things might be true, but some of them sound like ways to rationalize same sex attraction into being interpreted as "straight." I say this because some of them are definitely thoughts I've had when attempting to tell myself I was not gay.
     
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    Hi StormInside! Thanks for replying! Haha I guess when you put it that way, it is quite obvious! It is still shocking to me, though, since I have assumed I was straight for so long. I guess maybe later I will find that assumption shocking, too!
     
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    Hey freeapril! I feel like everyone "explains away" female same-sex attraction, which is helpful if you know you're straight but have same-sex feelings every once in a while, but if you think you might be queer and you are told over and over that these feelings mean nothing because all women have them, it gets confusing!

    The only way to know for sure is to trust yourself and be aware of your feelings in your daily life. I figured it was normal to feel the way I felt until I realized that there was a romantic component to my feelings; it took me 24 years to realize not only was I not straight, but I am more gay than straight.

    Focusing too much on the physical and comparing yourself to other women will drive you nuts. For most people it's the combination of physical and emotional; attraction is more complex than just looking at the woman in a love scene. In "But I'm a Cheerleader", the main character at first denies she's gay (paraphrased): "Lots of girls look at other girls in the locker room." to which someone replies "Yes but you only assume they are thinking what you're thinking, but they're not."
     
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    Hi wanderinggirl! Thanks for your reply!:icon_bigg Your thoughts about the romantic component of things are really helpful to me, and I guess I have been feeling like I can imagine myself falling for a girl more and more lately. I do not have many friends where I am living now, but I am hoping that will change soon, and then I guess I will just have to see what happens! I suppose it will take some time, and I will have to be okay with that. If you don't mind my asking, did you find that you had to meet someone and fall for them before you knew your orientation, or did you feel like you knew before then? I am just wondering because I have been thinking maybe I should attend some kind of lesbian event nearby in order to try to meet someone, but then thinking maybe it wouldn't be a good idea unless I knew my orientation for certain, and then thinking I can't know that for sure unless I meet someone I like, which means I should probably go to some kind of lesbian event to try to meet someone...it's sort of a vicious circle....:eusa_doh:
     
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    Loving this thread! wanderinggirl - thank you for your post, I also found it very helpful.

    To the OP - not sure whether this will be helpful, but to address your question about needing to meet someone and fall for them before knowing orientation, here's a bit of my story. I am 27 and have always thought I was straight, just assumed really, but I've never been in a relationship/had sex with a guy. Had what I think were crushes on guys, and looking back, what now seem like crushes on girls as well. My world was turned upside-down last year by a new job and a co-worker who was an open lesbian. Long story short, I fell hard for her and she reciprocated my feelings. We are now together. Initially I was worried to follow my feelings for this woman because they were so unexpected, but I have NO regrets and I'm so glad I allowed myself to explore them. Life is short!

    I don't think you necessarily need to meet someone to know your orientation, but for some of us it seems to be a trigger-pull to unlock possibly-repressed(?) feelings or unexpected desires. But for me, even meeting someone hasn't really helped me solidify my orientation. If anything it has only made me more confused for the time-being.

    I still don't have an answer about myself as far as labeling goes. I'm hoping maybe that will come with time, but also trying to accept that maybe no label will ever feel like it fits just right. On that note - I would encourage you to just follow your feelings. If you want to go to an event to try to meet someone, go for it!

    Also, another thought I'd like to mention. I have been very honest with my girlfriend about where I'm at regarding my orientation questioning, etc. and I think that's been a good thing for our relationship. At the end of the day, we agree that all that really matters is that we are very much in love with each other. So if you do meet someone and decide to start seeing her, I'd suggest at least considering a conversation at some point about where you're at with your journey of self-discovery.

    Best of luck to you and kudos for being brave and open to exploring your feelings! Love who you love. :slight_smile:
     
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    If you are open to going to a lesbian event before then, more power to you! It's a great way to meet friends; it doesn't have to be all about meeting someone to date, even though that's a possibility too. I was so nervous going to my first lesbian event; I was worried people would hit on me and I wouldn't know my orientation; or worse, that I'd be ignored completely and not feel any connection to the group whatsoever and then lose all hope of finding someone.

    For me it was a "trigger crush" that did it, just like Irishluck said; I was curious about women but I felt like it was shameful or dishonest to just "try things out", so it took me falling for a girl to really open me up to the possibility. Until then I was dating guys and being somewhat bisexual it didn't always feel wrong, but I don't think I ever saw myself falling in love with a guy. I gave up all hope of falling in love, until I met this "trigger crush" and it felt like the world opened up. But for you it might be different, and you might not get to that point before you realize your sexual/romantic orientation; people arrive at their orientation in all sorts of ways. (&&&)

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    Irishluck, wow your story is like mine except the feelings were reciprocated! :slight_smile: I relate to the trigger-pull, like all of a sudden something clicked inside and all these feelings I didn't know I had burst forward.

    If you don't mind my asking, how long ago was this? Because it's taken me nearly two years after falling in love with a girl to accept that I'm not straight; curious to know what the timeline might be for others in this situation.

    Anyways your story made me really happy to read. :slight_smile: I'm so happy for you!:eusa_danc
     
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    This is something I've struggled with too and it can get a bit confusing... You may argue that some of these women are in denial, but there's also some evidence that women can be aroused by any and every type of erotic material, regardless of orientation. As an example of this there's a lot of lesbians who enjoy gay (male) porn. The way I tried to look at it was like... when you enjoy watching females, is it merely a voyeuristic type thing, as in you like watching two people enjoy themselves, or could you actually imagine yourself or want to be with those females?

    Personally, I feel if you can imagine yourself sexually and/or romantically with another female and the idea feels natural and "right" and enjoyable, there's a good chance you might be lesbian or bisexual.
     
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    The problem is that for many/most women the emotional component of a relationship is incredibly important in deciding orientation. It is possible for a woman to be wet when she is raped, a defense mechanism to avoid further injury, but this is often cited as evidence that she was "into it" and therefore it wasn't rape. Focusing on just the physical reaction paints an inaccurate picture of female sexuality; taking into account emotional reaction makes female sexuality less ambiguous.
     
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    That is interesting and makes sense... You know, when I had sex with a woman, I kept trying to figure out what it was that I liked about it than better than being with a man. It wasn't necessarily related to arousal or the genitals involved, although that played a part too, and then I realized that it was more the emotional component than anything. There was something about being with a woman that was emotionally satisfying and felt "right."
     
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    Irishluck-Thanks for your reply! It is really great to hear your story, and I am so happy for you! One of the problems I am having is that I live in an area where I don't have any social connections and I also work from home, so I don't get a chance to meet many people, which is why I am thinking I might have to attend a lesbian event in order to have a chance at meeting someone. I apparently have terrible gaydar and I am also more attracted to feminine girls, so I feel like I would have to be surrounded as definitely as possible by lesbians in order to work up the nerve to flirt with anyone.:icon_bigg
    I am glad to hear also that you felt you could be honest in your relationship about still discovering your orientation. It is something I have wondered about if I do end up dating someone.

    Turtlecat-Yes, that is exactly the kind of confusion I am having! I guess I am thinking it is probably more of a "I want to be there" kind of thing for me, but I feel like I can't know for sure unless I actually fall for someone/have an experience in real life, because of needing the whole emotional component, as Wanderinggirl says.

    Wanderinggirl-Yeah, those are my concerns exactly about the lesbian event thing! I did find a group in my area that says it welcomes people who are questioning also, so I thought that might be okay...and it also mentioned that they know not everyone in the group is out of the closet yet...but still I wonder how that works? I mean, once I show up at a lesbian meeting, I would immediately be out to everyone there. So I guess I'm not really feeling ready yet, but I have been thinking about it a lot....
     
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    Freeapril, it's true that you would immediately be out as "not straight" but there are most likely a variety of sexualities within the group, so you wouldn't be automatically labeled as one thing if that takes some of the pressure off.