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I'm confused about my orientation

Discussion in 'Sexual Orientation' started by Kordeli, Jul 26, 2014.

  1. Kordeli

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    Hi there the title really says it all but here's a bit of an extended version.

    I'm male and like I said I'm confused and curious about my orientation. I feel like I'm sexually attracted to males and females it can really go either way for me. To be honest I really don't know if I want to be anything other than straight. My parents and lot of my best friends are firm believers in the Christian faith, and to put it lightly, wouldn't accept that I was anything other than straight. In a sense I really don't have anyone that I know well that I feel like I can turn to that's going to give me unbiased help on what to think. Which is why I'm here speaking now. God only knows how many sleepless nights I've spent milling over this question.

    Any advice you could give me would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks for you time,
    Kordeli
     
  2. mangotree

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    Hi Kordeli and welcome,

    The fact that you're here and asking the question is a big step and also possibly a personal revelation.

    Which (if any) of your attractions have you acted on? and in which ways? and how did those actions make you feel?

    Even though your family have strongly held Christian beliefs, what are your personal beliefs (if any)?

    You seem not entirely certain if you want to live your entire life as a completely straight person, why do you think that is? (or did I read it wrong?)

    If your family's beliefs etc were not as conservative as they are, would you feel differently about yourself and your possible not-completely-straightness? if yes, in what way?

    Let's just start with those and go from there.
     
  3. truffles45

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    Well it sounds like your bi. Now you can go through life telling yourself and pretending to be straight, but i can tell you from experience its not a fun way to go. Before you go telling anyone why don't you just get a feel for how people feel about the LGBT. You may get a different response from people. I for one have a really good friend who is a strong believer in the christian faith. I was afraid to tell him that i was gay. So I was planning on it but someone outed to him and he has been one of the biggest supporters. Like I said just bring of the subject in conversion. You might be surprised. :thumbsup:
     
  4. Kordeli

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    As far as acting on my attractions: I've masturbated to gay and straight porn and am aroused by each. As far as actually human to human interaction goes, I'm a bit of an introvert. Basically I'm terrible when it comes to flirting with the opposite sex which may say a lot actually.

    My personal beliefs: I'm a Christian as well which is why I'm so upset with the fact I'm confused about my orientation. I tend to be more open minded than my parents though, at my father anyway.

    I feel like I might be missing out on a possibly huge part of my life if I live as a straight person, but the opposite is just as true. If that makes any sense :/

    In regards to your last question: I honestly can't tell you the answer to that, because i simply don't know. I'd like to think yes, because I wouldn't be so afraid of hurting my relationship with my parents. That's not the whole story though. Like I said I'm a Christian myself. And since I'm really trying to do what god may be calling me to be it makes me wonder if being gay is worth losing my possible eternity in heaven. I know it may seem dumb but its a legitimate worry of mine.

    Hopefully I've answered your questions mangotree, i eagerly await your reply

    Kordeli
     
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    i hope no one gets offendex by this but i personally dont believe in god but i do believe that gays lesbians bisexuals ans transvestites are all gods creation and there for god loves us
     
  6. Chip

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    Hi, Kordeli.

    You're in the right place :slight_smile:

    I think the single most important thing to get your hands around is the idea that what you hope you are and what you want have really no bearing on what you actually are.

    In other words, your sexual orientation is the way it is, the way God made you, and is unchangeable, whether that means you're straight or you're gay, or somewhere in between.

    As far as your Christian beliefs and being gay... well, that whole area is undergoing some pretty radical transformation right now. I suggest you take about 45 minutes and watch Matthew Vines' video on Youtube. Vines is a 23 year old Harvard-educated Biblical scholar, and gay man. He spent several years in very deep and detailed study of Scripture, and has emerged with very different (and extremely well grounded) interpretations of Scripture that pretty much eliminate all of the negative views on homosexuality in the Bible. His new book, "God and the Gay Christian" has already created huge waves and many higher-ups in various churches have already changed their views. Well before Vines' work, there were also many Christian churches that are also very accepting of LGBT people. So in spite of what you may have been taught, being gay and being Christian aren't even remotely incompatible. In fact, I have two good friends who are pretty devout Christians who also happen to be gay, out, and proud.

    Now... as far as figuring things out, with people who have a strong aversion to the idea that they might be gay, this can create an additional layer of complication in figuring out their real sexual orientation. Here's why: Since you have a strong religious objection (and fear of parental rejection) to the idea of being gay, your unconscious and conscious are going to play all sorts of tricks to try and get the "desired" answer, and that tends to cloud things. So the tricky part is trying to figure out what the root attractions and arousal patterns are.

    You've done some of this already. The problem is, porn isn't a very reliable indicator of sexual orientation for a variety of reasons. The best bet -- and this may be a challenge at first -- is to stop using porn entirely for a couple of weeks, and masturbate using only fantasies you create in your own mind. One of the best things you can do is simply start masturbating and let your mind wander and see what sort of fantasies it naturally goes toward without consciously trying to think of one thing or another.

    For most people, the fantasies will naturally go in one direction or the other... toward thinking about guys, or thinking about girls. So give that a try for a few days and see where it leads. And -- this is the hard part -- try to avoid having any particular "agenda" about what you want as an outcome, and just let it develop on its own. For most people, it becomes fairly clear after a couple of days.

    Now... if it does point you in the direction of being attracted to guys, then it's probably going to take you a bit to come to terms with this, and there are always stages we go through when we process a loss (in this case, loss of perception we're straight), and the stages are denial-anger-bargaining-grief-acceptance. You've already done some work on this so you're probably at least somewhat into or perhaps past the denial stage (if, in fact, you're not totally straight, which seems fairly likely.) So give yourself time. This isn't something you need to answer in a day or a week or even a month.

    The last piece I'd offer up is this: Our experience at EC is that even among the most religious, conservative parents, it is rare for a parent to outright reject a child who is lesbian, gay, or transgender. Yes, there's often some angry words, some initial threats, rejection, hurling of hurtful scriptures, and the like... remember that they go through the same "stages of loss" you experience... but then, eventually, nearly all of them come around to accepting and loving their gay children. So if it turns out that you are, in fact, gay, then the odds are pretty overwhelmingly in your favor that they'll eventually be OK with it.

    So take some time, try the above suggestions if you're so inclined, and keep talking about what's going on for you, and share your experiences with us... and we can do our best to help you figure out what's going on for you.

    And most importantly... keep engaged here. Talking about this, whatever the outcome, is the best way to overcome the shame associated with it.
     
  7. Jguy365

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    It is perfectly fine to be a gay Christian. I know! Ever since I realized that I was bisexual (maybe gay...I'm still not totally sure) I have been closer to God than ever before. After I came out to myself and some friends, I was so lost, confused and hurt...I just didn't know what to do and I was worried that it would come between me and God, so one night I had a very serious talk with God. I let it all out to Him. My prayer was truly from my heart. I cried for my sins and I cried for how lost I was...and I kept asking that God would never let go of me no matter who I am. I opened my window and held my hand towards the sky and asked God to take it. I could really feel His presence. So many things lined up in terms of my life when I came out to myself, and that is a prayer that I pray every night, that I always find the reason behind everything. Then one night when I was feeling lost again, I asked God to lead me to an appropriate Bible passage. Sure enough, when I opened my Bible to no particular page, the first passage that I saw was Psalms 143:8 which was basically the prayer that I prayed that night when I was feeling lost and desperate for God's presence.
    Answer me quickly, Lord;
    my spirit fails.
    Do not hide your face from me
    or I will be like those who go down to the pit.
    8 Let the morning bring me word of your unfailing love,
    for I have put my trust in you.
    Show me the way I should go,
    for to you I entrust my life.
    9 Rescue me from my enemies, Lord,
    for I hide myself in you.
    10 Teach me to do your will,
    for you are my God;
    may your good Spirit
    lead me on level ground.
    11 For your name’s sake, Lord, preserve my life;
    in your righteousness, bring me out of trouble.
    12 In your unfailing love, silence my enemies;
    destroy all my foes,
    for I am your servant.

    I have never felt God's presence in my life like this ever before. He lead me to this point, so it is with a relieved heart that I say that Jesus NEVER abandons His children. You just have to open up your life to Him and invite Him into your heart.
     
  8. Kordeli

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    Thanks guys, you've helped me in more ways than you know. I'm still a little terrified but you've definately helped. There's gonna be a lot of soul searching in the days,weeks,and months to come, hopefully it finally leads me to something.

    Kordeli