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Am I gay, bi, or straight?

Discussion in 'Sexual Orientation' started by Wydycz, Aug 29, 2014.

  1. Wydycz

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    Hello everyone,

    You can call me CJ. I'm 22, currently trying to finish up school as an English major. I tried looking for a place that might be a little easier to chat with people who would likely be more "experienced" and understanding about some of my issues. I'm hoping some of you could help me out. :slight_smile:

    Here's some background info to understand where I'm coming from a little better: I grew up as a pastor's kid. I went to church, was raised believing "homosexuality is wrong" and all of that jazz. Throughout my life, I've had to change a lot. I went through ten schools before I finished high school. My family always moved because of my father's job in the ministry. And I'm still trying to sort this out, but I was sexually abused when I was younger too. I only have one friend I've known for most of my life, so trying to adapt to new places, new groups of people, etc. has been draining on me.

    In grade twelve, I had my first gay experience. This friend of mine at the time -- another PK (pastor's kid) -- invited me over for a sleepover with some friends. Later on, he started to try and fool around with me and then the next day he said "the devil made him do it". Now, I had never SERIOUSLY considered having sex with a man before that day. But I was a horny kid, that's for sure. I only just lost my virginity near the end of grade twelve, so I was a bit "late" compared to some but I definitely didn't stop there, haha.

    Anyway, a couple years go by and I arrive at my university for my first year. Everything was great. Occasionally, I would consider the idea of being gay or maybe bi. But throughout my whole life, I have always been attracted to women. I've had some gay friends say they "always knew" they were gay, even when they were younger. I don't recall having that kind of feeling before.

    At the end of my first year, I was extremely betrayed. This friend I made at the school became one of my closest friends. He was gay, everyone knew it. And I went to him for a lot of advice. He was actually fun to hangout with. A lot of people in residence became close. We were a big family. Anyway, long-story short, he drank with me one night toward the end of the year and I woke up in his room with him giving me oral sex. I knew we were watching a movie, but I passed out at some point.

    Now, this is where the story gets a little more blurry... and, quite frankly, frustrating. I honestly can't tell if I was roofied, just plain passed out, or if what he claims is true (that I initiated it, even though I know I was sleeping). Maybe I subconsciously wanting it? For the most part, I don't think I did. Anyway, after that, I've had these rumours passed around that I had sex with him and other stuff. It's not fun to be labelled, even if I don't think being gay is wrong.

    Since then, I've kind of hooked up with a guy I knew for awhile. He's from the same high school and university that I'm at. Cool guy, really good-looking and in the military. He even shares a few friends with me. But we never had full sex or anything either. So I guess I'm still a "virgin" under this category. We were drunk, so I'm not sure whether I liked it or not.

    Like I said, I've had plenty of sex with women to know I like women, at the very least. But then I had some erectile issues this past year. The plumbing's working now, thankfully, but I was trying to figure out if my body was telling me something I didn't want to admit or if I just had health or age issues popping up.

    In essence, I'm just looking for some general direction. I'm a conflicted individual. I have an ultra-conservative family who would still love me no matter what, but seriously make me feel like shit if I opened up. I'm not religious now, and I like the idea of a creator but I'm not so sure if one even exists, but family's still a big role in one's life. Also, I already know I've enjoyed sex with girls. I may have had plenty of sex, but my love life has been shamefully void of anything more than a year-long relationship and the rest being hookups or short dating seasons. I suck at being cool, collected and romantically-appealing when it comes to first impressions, first dates, etc.


    On top of this all, I have anxiety and suffer from minor depression swings once in awhile. So I tend to get caught up in my feelings, thoughts, etc.


    For those who are gay, any opinions? And for those who are bisexual, how did you know you were bi and not strictly gay? I mean, it sounds simple -- but I think one of the biggest things that bugs me about a lot of cultures, including my own, is that if you're caught doing anything with a same-sex person then it means you're automatically gay. And I don't mean that in a bad or condescending way about BEING gay. I mean it in the sense that a lot of people just assume that's all it is for me, or for whoever. Maybe I was curious? Maybe I'm bi?

    It's really late here... so I'm kind of rambling. I'm going to bed, haha. But I look forward to some responses on here. If anyone needs something clarified or would like to know more please let me know! Thanks.
     
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    Hi Wydycz

    First welcome to EC you have come to the right place to get understanding and sympathetic advice, I have been on here for 18 months and have travelled a long way on my journey to a better understanding of myself. For the record even though I have been in a straight relationship for the last 26 years I now consider myself 100% gay, I just discovered myself rather late in life. I have some observations based on what you have written that may help others answer your questions.

    First of all I know it’s difficult but I would put the thoughts of others, especially religious ones, on one side for the moment until you have worked out who you are.

    Re the sexual abuse, I’m sorry to hear that but you should also know that being abused does not MAKE you gay/bi. From what I understand your real sexuality is fixed before birth (the exact cause is not clearly identified) but events after your birth don’t change your sexuality BUT they could supress it causing confusion.

    When you were in grade 12 you said “Now, I had never SERIOUSLY considered having sex with a man before that day.” emphasising the word SERIOUSLY, do I take it that in some small part you had considered sex with a guy, and did you like the fooling around?

    You say at University you said “would consider the idea of being gay or maybe bi” this does not strike me as something a straight guy would say.

    You go on to say “I've had some gay friend’s say they "always knew" they were gay, even when they were younger. I don't recall having that kind of feeling before”, I didn’t know I was gay when I was younger BUT I did know I was different in some way, I just couldn’t put my finger on it. I have heard many other late-discoverers say this.

    You seem to have had no discomfort in your closest friend being openly gay or fitting in with other gay folks, this I think would be surprising, but not impossible, for a straight guy. For what it’s worth when I identified as straight before my marriage all my really closest friends turned out to be gay later on but were not out at the time, it’s as though I was strangely drawn to them.

    Re. the oral when drunk or roofied, what your friend did was wrong; he shouldn’t have had sex with someone who was not fully aware of what they were doing even if you wanted sex, and he shouldn’t have started the rumours. Of course the other possibility is that if you were both out drinking in public then you may have become a little frisky with each other in front of others and they put 2 and 2 together and came up with 5 thus starting the rumours.

    You seem to be ok hooking up with other guys. I‘m confused by “ But we never had full sex or anything either. So I guess I'm still a "virgin" under this category. We were drunk, so I'm not sure whether I liked it or not.” So if you didn’t do anything how can you know if you liked it or not?

    Many late-discoverers including myself have had sex with women and enjoyed it, but when they have sex with guys they discover it’s so much better and feels completely natural. So don’t assume that since you’ve not had sex with a guy but have with women then you must be straight.

    If you are gay/bi, trying to supress your real identity even subconsciously will cause a lot of stress and could trigger depression. Amongst LGBT folk depression is quite common unfortunately.

    So to wrap up I would be tempted to say firstly that I don’t think a straight guy would be on this site asking the questions you’ve asked. Since you seem to have no problems being around gay guys I would suggest some safe sexual exploration with another guy BUT 100% sober so you are fully in control and can remember the experience, and if your'e happy with it give it a few sessions before you make up your mind. If you're straight I guess you wont even make it into bed.

    If you don’t sort out who you are now and you are gay/bi you will mess up your life in the future I guarantee.

    Have fun in discovering and keep us informed, were here to help and I’m sure others will chip in with advice.

    SGG
     
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    Hi Wydycz

    A couple more points.

    In reading your post much of it is about you and other guys, you only incidentally mention women which, in my mind, is a big clue. If you were 100% straight you would talk mostly of women with just a small mention of guys.

    You had not said anything about romantic feelings towards guys you just talk about sex, can you see yourself snuggled up to a cute guy in front of a roaring fire, or waking up next to one on a cold winters day, or being held in his strong arms a nice long embrace, or going out for a meal to a nice restaurant?

    SGG
     
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    i believe i discovered my bisexuality through experience.
    While i may have my own girlfriend, i feel that sex with guys were more natural for me.. i enjoy it more than having sex with girls.
    I am not out yet as the same reason as you, religious, but lets not discuss it here..

    I think you should explore your sexuality with experience and then weigh things out..which feels more natural, and which experience has more inclination to you which you could only answer if you try..

    By the way, i am just 21 years old and experienced same sex after graduating from university.. you have ample time in your hands since you're not working yet..
     
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    Thanks for the responses.

    Here are some responses to your inquiries or suggestions, SaleGayGuy:

    When I mean "seriously" in regard to my high school times, I mean that I've had a bit of a bumpy road toward discovering who I am, even before these experiences with men had taken place. First of all, my family often believed that sexual abuse could make someone "think" they were gay. So, without their knowledge of my abuse, I often got depressed and developed anxiety. My grandfather suffers from being schizophrenic, my mother has struggled with depression, as well as my uncle (her brother) dealing with some illness too. Though this is not directly related, like I said, I think A LOT. Probably around grade ten and after, I would be bullied by some people and labelled as being gay. This made me start wondering about this, and whether or not that could be an "illness" developed out of these previous things. I tried exploring the internet and couldn't bring myself to enjoy the depiction of same-sex pornography. Perhaps it was just that I was suppressing it. In either case, I take things to heart when people call me something. I'm a bit emotional. So even if I was called a "dumb ass" I would take it seriously and probably spend the next three days analyzing myself. That might be a bit of an exaggeration, I can take jokes, haha. But I'm just trying to illustrate my point.

    Anyway, in both cases of the grade twelve encounter as well as my university one, they were isolated and I didn't initiate either of them. No one else was present for the encounters whatsoever. I'm not sure if I let it happen at the beginning because of my sexual abuse causing confusion or if I wanted it to happen. Part of me thinks it's the latter, but I always have a doubt.

    Out of those rumours being said, they WERE rumours. I'll put it this way: yes, he did give me oral sex and I woke up to it. No, I did not have sex with him aside from that encounter. No one else knew. So when he started telling people that a lot more happened, it really frustrated me. I wasn't sure where I was at. Throughout the whole school year, I wanted to be friends with him but he would always try to do things to me. I would be sleeping and he would just crawl into bed. Or if we were all watching a movie he would have to sit right beside me. I remember he tried fondling my private while a bunch of us were under a blanket. They are awkward situations where if I am too adamant about saying no then he would freak and make me look like a homophobe. But if I let it happen it was distressing too. To be honest, I'm starting to think he was being a bit abusive.

    That is done, though. I'm not mad about it anymore. Out of this event, as well as some people occasionally thinking I was gay (particularly some girls I would try to flirt with), I became more fixed on figuring out who I was. It just irked me that I had to run into this time after time.

    So eventually I just let my guard down, two years later, and hooked up with this guy. I wanted to know who I was. But, as said earlier, I was too drunk to really know what I was doing and we never did much more than fool around.

    Romantically, I just don't know what I would like. I've never been lucky enough to have a long-term relationship that went smoothly. Longest relationship I had was 1 year and the girl cheated on me several times. I have some baggage from relationships like that where I took awhile to work through trust issues and heartache.

    I'm thinking you're both right in the sense that I should try it out sober with someone and see where it goes. Likely, I'll enjoy it. But I know nothing about having sex with a guy, to be honest. Obviously I should be safe but I just don't know if I'm ready to go on a date with a guy. I don't want to say I'm ashamed of being seen, but it's just that family, friends, and acquaintances don't know anything and I just want to try and discover myself before anyone else does/thinks they do, y'know? On the other hand, I would rather get to know someone before hooking up and engaging in sex with some stranger. And I do not have any gay friends in close proximity that I would like to hook up with. They are strictly friends, and I'm not attracted to them.
     
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    Hi Wydycz

    I'm snowed under with work at the moment but will get back to you later if nobody else chips in.

    SGG
     
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    You might already know this (and this is coming from someone else who has his share of anxiety), but things that people say about you, rumors they start, names they call you, should be given 0 weight as you continue to figure out your sexuality. To say the least, you are who you are, and what others think hasn't any bearing on who you find attractive (their rumors might hint that people perceive you as "sexually complicated", but you already know that without their snide input). Those who called you names and who started rumors... are assholes. Plane and simple.

    I can try to take a quick stab at your quesion "how do you know that you were bi and not strictly gay" (speaking as someone who's likely "somewhere in between", however, a work in progress). Partial answer: same way a straight or gay person knows they're straight/gay and not bi. Though you shouldn't feel the need to label yourself (yet) if you don't want to. And also, though it's hard, I can attest, try challenging your belief that others think that "doing anything with a same-sex person [means you're] automatically gay". If they think that, they're just biphobic; how nice of people to judge others without having experienced what they're judging.

    All the best.
     
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