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Male attention and HOCD

Discussion in 'Sexual Orientation' started by sporn, Mar 17, 2015.

  1. sporn

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    Whenever I get male attention I doubt my sexuality. Especially if he's good looking. I get bad groinal responses and anxiety when guys are attracted to me. I start to worry that I'm attracted to them back. I wear unsexy clothes and glasses to avoid the attention. How can I stop doubting my sexuality when I get male attention?
     
  2. popcorn

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    This is interesting... I am a woman...and I am currently feeling the same way with women. I have social phobia though...
     
  3. sporn

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    I think I have a bit of social phobia as well, but it mainly happens with people my age. Do you get more anxious around attractive girls?
     
  4. Wildside

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    I don't know how reliable an indicator it is, but even when I was in deepest denial I found the same kind of groin reaction (well, maybe not exactly the same because our groins are different) whenever I got male attention and touching. my body responded in the way that was natural for it, even before my brain could accept it.
     
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    Hi.

    A lot may depend on where you are in your self-acceptance process. If you are fairly new to accepting yourself, you're probably still in the stages of loss (of your self-perception as straight) which are denial-anger-bargaining-grief-acceptance. The bargaining stage can be a bitch, especially if there's religious guilt or fear of judgment from parents/family/friends, and that can undermine your trust in what you feel in yourself.

    So I think the issue is probably less about guys showing you attention -- most every lesbian gets attention from straight guys, just as most gay guys get attention from straight women -- and more about learning to fully love and accept yourself as you are.

    Also, it's worth noting that HOCD isn't an accurate term; OCD exists, and that's characterized by intrusive, uncontrollable, repetitive behaviors and thoughts, usually coupled with strong anxiety, and focused on more than one topic. We don't, for example, recognize "locking doors OCD" or "flipping light switches OCD" because we don't see people with OCD that only do those things. In the same way, we don't see people with OCD where it is limited only to concerns about sexual orientation.

    So if you don't have the other intrusive, uncontrollable thought patterns, then what you have is definitely not OCD and (far more likely) the ordinary anxiety that comes as a part of the process of working through self-acceptance. For me, at least, that would be a relief, as OCD, while very treatable and curable, can also be really debilitating left untreated. Far better to acknowledge normal anxiety that accompanies the coming out process.

    I hope that helps!
     
  6. sporn

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    Thanks for replying. I attempted to come out four years ago, I sort of accepted myself when I was coming out. Before that I was in denial. I kind of obsessed about my sexuality, but it's not as bad as it is now.

    I started having intrusive thoughts about my sexuality after I came out. Mainly about possibly being bisexual or everything being a phase. I really hate this obsession because it feels like I'm just going backwards and in circles.

    I don't have an OCD diagnosis, but I am diagnosed with anxiety problems. I also have a history of other obsessions. My last obsessions were health and spirituality related.
     
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    For what it's worth the line between OCD and anxiety isn't a rock solid one. There are many people that have obsessive traits or compulsive traits, but don't meet the diagnostic criteria for OCD. Both OCD and generalized anxiety disorder stem from the same neurotransmitter pathway deficit, and the incidence of anxiety diagnoses in the population is steadily increasing.

    Additionally, LGBT people, understandably, have situational anxiety issues arising from being closeted. These often self-resolve within a year or two after coming out. The problem is... while some people absolutely need to be medicated for anxiety (they can't function otherwise), doctors have a tendency to overmedicate... it's a lot easier to spend the 6 minute office visit writing a prescription than actually talking about the anxiety, working through the issues, and providing cognitive tools and exercises that can help.

    I do think that as you work more on becoming comfortable, you'll see the anxiety abate. Talking about it -- both here in the forums and with a therapist -- is the best way to help that process along.
     
  8. sporn

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    I feel like I'm a bit different than most people here. I have a lot of anxiety about things that have nothing to do with my sexuality. Coming out of the closet also made my anxiety worse. It's been more than two years and I still don't feel like anything has been resolved. I think it's even more unresolved than before. I didn't obsessed about possibly liking boys when I was in the closet.

    Maybe I'm still having these issues because I wasn't accepted when I came out. I really wish I just stayed closeted. My mental health would be so much better. I wish someone would have warned me about all of this obsessive self-doubt.
     
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    Hi, again.

    Actually... there are a lot of people here at EC with generalized anxiety (unrelated to sexual orientation.) I think you'd be surprised. As I mentioned above, it is an increasinly common thing that appears to be a byproduct of experiences that happen between mother and child in very early childhood.

    Are you seeing a therapist? Is that a possibility? It sounds like you would really benefit, and a therapist could assess whether medication (or some non-medication alternative) might help. There are also supplements that can be really helpful for some people and are essentially harmless and non-addictive, so trying them might be sensible. GABA and 5-HTP are the most commonly suggested, but do your own research and, preferably, discuss with a therapist.

    I know what you're saying about how it feels like you should have stayed closeted. It might have lessened the anxiety. I think one of the things to consider is your mental health in the long term. I can pretty much assure you that this is something you will get past, and I think when you do, you'll be a lot happier being your authentic self.
     
  10. sporn

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    I'm already seeing a therapist, but I'm not sure if she's helping. What I meant by staying closeted is waiting until I was a bit older and more mentally stable. I came out too soon. I don't think coming out helped my short term or long term mental health. Now I think no one will ever take my sexuality seriously.
     
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    ^ that's okay. You can change your label whenever you want. Whether people take you seriously is one thing, but whether you are serious and confident about your sexuality is what's important.

    I've changed my sexual orientation at least 7 times because I was that uncertain. I've got a better idea of what my attractions to older men mean now, and those attractions so to speak are here to stay. I Have a better idea of what the attractions mean, but it doesn't mean that I won't experience those attractions anymore.

    I wasn't aware of this, but anxiety and sexual orientation are two different cases. When my paychologst told me that I was surprised, cause it's like a "who would have thought". I believe targeting the anxiety first would give you a clearer picture on where to start.
     
  12. sporn

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    I don't mind changing my label when I'm closeted. I'm just worried about changing my label publicly and no one ever taking me seriously.