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Are most bi men typically gay leaning?

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  1. Cubster1980

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    I usually wonder about this because from my experience I have had a hard time distinguishing between homosexuality and bisexuality. Though this is probably not true of all bi men, because I believe some of them could be Kinsey 2 or 3. I am not sure how I would place a person who is a Kinsey 1 or 5.
     
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    I would say that it is more likely that the percentage of bisexual men who lean towards men and women is close. I wouldn't go as far as saying 50/50 but it could be somewhere around there. Something like this would need research before you can come to any conclusion. Just my personal opinion.
     
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    As far as I can tell I would think I would fall somewhere in between 50/50 and 65/35. That would be between Kinsey 3 and 4.
     
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    This is totally a provisional nomenclature I've come up with, but here's the terms I use for the different numbers on the Kinsey scale:
    0 - Totally Straight
    1 - Mostly Straight
    1.5 - Heteroflexible (this mostly me joking around)
    2 - hetero leaning bisexual
    3 - pure bisexual
    4 - homo leaning bisexual
    5 - mostly gay
    6 - totally gay.

    As for the prevalence of these different types in the population at large, I'm not really sure.
    The best work I've seen is recent work by Dr. Lisa Diamond, and the graphs she showed (for both men and women) were pretty bimodal (that is, two peaked), with a lower numbers of "pure" bisexuals. But, interestingly, the numbers of people at Kinsey 1 & 2 where much larger than she anticipated, and may even be larger than the number of mostly or totally gay folks out there. Google around for the video of the presentation she gave at Cornell University sometime in the last couple of years to see the graphs.

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    So to answer your question, I think 2s may be more common then 4s.
     
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    I scored a 3.43 and a 3.57 on the Klein Sexuality Scale which also includes the Kinsey Scale of Sexuality. I am nearly in the center of the 3 and 4 range. I am somewhere between a pure bisexual and a homo leaning bisexual. To be on the safe side though I would conclude I am more of a homo leaning bisexual. It does feel really close to equal though in some aspects.

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    I just looked that up and yes 2's are more common than 4's. Like I said I fall almost right smack in the middle between a 3 and 4. I wonder how rare my Kinsey Scale Rating is. I remember I had an art teacher in elementary school and he was a really nice guy. Later on in life when I was 17 I met him at a park where other gay people went to. I know he was married and he had a son who was gay and died of AIDS. I asked him if he was bisexual and he said no that he was basically gay. He told he will only tolerate women sexually. I told him at the time I may be bisexual but wasn't so certain of it at the time. The guy was in his mid 60s and I felt so bad he had to live a lie because of society and deep rooted right wing religious propaganda. I guess he must have been a Kinsey 5 because I doubt if a Kinsey 6 gay man could even tolerate women sexually.
     
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    Maybe a 3.5 is a bi-homoflexible. JK!!!!!!
     
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    Lol. That is funny.
    So, the cool thing is that you are a rare, beautiful and unique snowflake.
    That's something to be proud of, if you ask me.

    Where did you find a test for the Klein Sexuality Scale that scores so precisely that it gives scores to two significant digits?! There must have been a LOT of questions!!
    It sounds super awesome. I'd like to take it. Seriously, let me know where you found it.

    I've read Klein's book on bisexuality, and although it explained the Klein grid, I don't recall it having test questions. I remember being disappointed at the time.
     
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    No, but I think those who lean towards gayness are more likely to identify as something other than straight, since they have more of a stake. Someone who has very occasional or fleeting thoughts would have an easier time shrugging them off, not to mention more to lose. If a gay person can spend their entire lives in denial, living as heterosexuals, imagine how much more pressure there would be for someone > Kinsey 3.
     
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    Also, this in left field, but I thought you might get a kick out of this...

    I recall reading a book that was a compilation of first hand accounts of bisexual people and their stories. Maybe it was "bi any other name"? Anyhow, I remember reading an account of these two bisexual guys who were partners, and then decided to go find themselves a wife. And, as I recall, they found one. So they had this really cute m-f-m triad relationship going on.

    And I remember thinking, "Wow, a situation like that really appeals to me!"
    Which kinda shocked me at the time because I was just starting to come out to myself back then.

    I don't know how you feel about poly relationships, but is that something that would appeal to you, as a beautiful, unique bi-homoflexible dude?
     
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    Southampton Directory | Klein Sexual Orientation Grid Quiz
     
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    Thanks!
    I see it doesn't have "questions" per say, but it's still cool.
    :eusa_clap
     
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    What do you mean by no questions? If you scroll down it will ask you about your sexuality past, present, and what would be your ideal future.
     
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    I've always thought of bisexual men as gay leaning, but I'm almost convinced now that is an incorrect stereotype. My gay male friend kept telling me bi men are actually gay down deep, but just don't want to accept it.
     
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    I honestly would not care if I became totally gay or totally straight. Honestly do you think men who are a Kinsey 6 go around fantasizing about hot women, masturbating to it, and getting off to it. Of course I have gay tendencies but I do get turned on also by the thought of having sex with a hot chick as well.
     
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    Well tell your gay friend maybe he is just going through a phase and is on his way to total heterosexuality. Just like I have been going through a straight phase and on my way back to total homosexuality. I identified as gay for 15 years and I recently found out I am in fact bisexual.
     
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    Stereotypes are too limiting. If you met me you wouldn't think I was gay. I'm a Kinsey 5 though, not 6.

    Whether I'm mostly gay, or just straight up gay; I'm still gay.
     
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    I just looked at that test. Is it that easy for people to know if they're sexually attracted to someone or not? That test is pretty useless for me.
     
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    I meant in the sense of narrative questions that are more subtle. Like you'd take for a personality inventory or something.

    Because, for some people (like Sporn), attraction is not entirely self evident.

    Still, I think its a useful tool. Thanks again. :icon_bigg

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    In case you were wondering, I did the Klein test, and depending on how I weighted different aspects of my past experiences and my expectations for the future, I came out to somewhere between 2.05 and 2.34.
     
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    So your a heterosexual leaning bisexual? Some gay men might tell you that your straight in denial. Just like I score between 3.42-3.67 and they would tell me I am just gay in denial. How many Kinsey 6s get thrilled about the idea of a woman riding them and getting off to it? Didn't you say you have a gay friend who is a Kinsey 6? Ask him the question I asked you?
     
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    Yup... Heterosexual leaning bisexual.
    (although I have some other quirks, like being really attracted to some trans men that aren't even on this test.)

    And yes, I've been told both that I'm gay in denial and straight in denial.

    But, frankly, my lived experience is that I'm not happy living as just straight.
    It feels like pretending. But when I'm openly queer, I feel much more comfortable.
    If I'm with a woman, then to feel open, I need to use non gender specific terms of endearment, watch queer and gay porn together, engage in gender play in the bedroom, and go to lots of gay events together, and/or have mmf threesomes, etc. One could interpret that as "gay" in waiting, but honestly, being openly queer makes me feel that much more attracted to my lady.

    If I was with a guy (which, admittedly, I've less experience with), I'd want an fwb relationship with a woman on the side, or mmf threesomes or watching a lot of straight porn together or something.

    It's weird and poly, but I think its just how I am.

    And, yes, I did ask my gay Kinsey 6 friend if he's ever fantasized about women. And it's a total, firm, and complete "No!", accompanied by a disgusted face.

    So, yeah, I probably need to be dating other bi people to make this work. My current sweetheart is bisexual, and we really seem to get each other.
     
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