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Were there always signs I'm gay? Or am I just confused/overthinking?

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  1. Journey23

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    I've been looking back at my life lately, trying to reexamine situations that could've been the straight side in me suppressing my attracting to girls.....
    Over the course of my life:

    1. I felt this strange discomfort/intrigue toward openly-gay women. Even if they're just strangers walking down the street, they stick out like a sore thumb to me, and I have this weird mix of feelings like I'm ashamed for some reason yet really really intrigued by them...and I want, but don't want, their approval that they find me attractive.

    2. When I was about 17, I had this long-distance friend I met at (a very religious Christian) summer camp who for a while I called my BFF. I always had a feeling she was a lesbian, and that she had feelings for me. This made me feel that strange mix of emotions I explained above...liked her attention, and yet was ashamed that I liked her attention and ashamed that she was even giving me attention in the first place....as if people would see her attraction/attention toward me as a reflection OF me....

    3. When that long-distance friend "came out" and told me she "liked" me, I was FREAKED OUT, went crying to my (very religious) mother, and we basically stopped being friends pretty quickly. But, a few years ago, she friended me on FB, and I'm glad she did.

    4. I was a HUGE tomboy between 8-11 yrs old. I dressed like a boy, acted like boy, had only guy friends, played softball, etc etc. I became much much more feminine as an adult, but people still know me to be the hot-girl-who-takes-shit-from-no-one. Also, I played lacrosse in high school, and it was my favorite sport by far. I used to make fun of it all the time for being kind of a 'butch' sport, but again....I refer to those mixed feelings above.

    5-10000...

    I'm just confused. Damn confused. Am I over thinking this?

    My ex-husband just came out, and ever since I've been thinking 'well, what if I am gay too?'....but it's been really really really hard and confusing to digest. Am I only thinking about this because I'm so confused about my ex (who came across as the straightest guy on the planet)? Or is his announcement bringing up some things about myself that I've suppressed or never thought to look at in a different light?

    Anyone felt this way? Or am I just a confused, heartbroken straight girl?
     
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    Those feelings of awkwardness, shame, fear, intrigue etc all sound familiar to me - almost definitely signs of repressed homosexuality. Yet in your bio you state you identify as a Kinsey 2, which seems quite a leap from being just gay.

    How do those feelings towards women compare/relate to your feelings towards men?
     
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    Well, like I said, I was married to a man, so it's always been about men for me. Always. Always noticed men in public, cared about what men thought of me, always pictured myself with a man, always thoroughly enjoyed sex with a man, etc.

    I never really gave women a second thought in that way...I have had attraction to some, select girls. It was like these certain girls brought it out of me for some inexplicable reason. I just thought I was admiring them, and I never really questioned it beyond that.

    But....when the divorce was first getting started and BEFORE my ex came out, I decided the best thing for me was to move out of state when it was all over. This was when I started to think to myself "well, maybe when I move, I'll finally have some freedom to experiment with women just to see what it's like." And I was looking forward to it.

    And then....I find out my ex is gay, and I'm like "holy &$@#. If HE'S gay, of all people, and 'didn't know,' then could I be too?"

    It feels like a total rewiring of my brain. The way I think.

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    Here's another example....

    DURING my marriage, I had this INSANE attraction to my yoga instructor. Hands down the strongest attraction I've ever had to a woman as an adult. I've never once spoken to her directly and it's been 1.5 years since I've even seen her, yet to this day, I STILL think about her, especially since I've been having this "wait a minute....do I really LIKE girls??" awakening.

    I don't think I've ever had this kind of longing for a man. Sure, there have been plenty of guys throughout my life I've really liked, even loved. But whenever I've "longed" for a guy from my past, it came from a place of neediness, a place of just wanting attention until the next "new thing" came around.

    But with this girl, and frankly others, it's a longing that comes from a much deeper place, a place of real and true desire.
     
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    And one more thing.....

    This is weird to some (most?) people, but I only recently started to masturbate (I'm in my late 20s)....

    Why did it take so long? I guess, growing up in a super religious Christian home, it felt dirty to me. And the past few months have literally been the first time in my adult life since I've been single, so sex was always available whenever I wanted and therefore didn't feel the need to masturbate.

    But here's the clincher....

    I didn't start masturbating until I started questioning my sexuality.....and the only thing I masturbate to is lesbian porn.
     
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    Well, from what you've said, I'm pretty sure that you're probably some kind of queer (e.g. not straight.) But you'll have to figure out what kind of queer you are. You could be anywhere from a hetero leaning bisexual (Kinsey 2) to a 100% lesbian (Kinsey 6). However, given what you said about thoroughly enjoying sex with men, you're less likely to be a Kinsey 6. But then again, sometimes the heteronormative social pressure of growing up in a religious conservative environment can blind one to one's own longings and normalize sex that is pleasant, but ultimately doesn't have a crackle and spark.

    The only way to really sort out where you are on the Kinsey scale is to do some experimenting.
    So I say, go ahead, and follow your head and heart, and try dating women for a while.
     
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    I'd like to add that I 100% relate to your account of discomfort/intrigue at being around openly gay people (in my case, openly gay men AND openly gay women). The wanting, yet not wanting the attention and approval. And all the shame attached to it. I've felt that ever since I was a little boy.

    I suggest to you that that in itself is likely a sign of a queer identity repressed by internal and external homophobia. In my case, it's clear to me that when I was young, even though I wasn't attracted to anyone yet, I could clearly see myself in gay men, and wanted them to approve of me. And yet, that realization lumped me in with them, and made me, too, the potential target of homophobia. Hence the push/pull dynamic.

    In general, wanting to be around other gay people is a well recognized part of a gay/bi identity: It's called homosocializing.

    (Why I've often felt that way about gay women is a little more mysterious to me, but at this point in my life, I find myself more attracted to bisexual women than to straight women, so I'm guessing that's it.)

    I've often thought about this dynamic, but you're the first person I've come across that's written about it with such clarity. Thank you! :slight_smile:

    Also, when you say that to you, openly gay women "stick out like a sore thumb", we have a word for that, honey: Gaydar! :slight_smile:

    It is also interesting that you married a gay man. While his choice to be closeted and marry a woman in no way reflects on your sexuality, it is interesting in light of what you are saying about your own sexuality. Sometimes us queer people tend to unconsciously gravitate together.
     
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    I relate so much to that polarized avoidance yet wanting approval from other lesbian women. For me, its the hardest part about trying to come out. Getting over that internalized heteronormativity and that knee jerk reaction to not relate to lesbians "too much."

    I grew up with a mother who was always very critical of me "looking like a lesbian/like a dyke" and teaching me to be afraid of people ~assuming~ that I was anything but straight. So anything that could potentially trigger my attraction to women, I had myself Pavlov'd to turn a blind eye to it and run away from the situation. Getting over that now is HELL.

    Oddly enough, I've always been passionate about LGBT issues, but always shied away from women.
     
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    Oh, honey, I'm so sorry. Much love and hugs. :slight_smile:

    ---------- Post added 2nd Sep 2015 at 08:37 PM ----------

    Oh, and one final note on for Journey23 about your new found love of masturbation and lesbian porn:

    While I'm guessing your new found freedom is probably a major contributing factor, age may also be, too. Many women aren't believed to hit their sexual peak until around 30. Which might also explain the intensity of your desire for your yoga teacher.

    As for the porn, it may or may not mean anything. It's often said that porn isn't a reliable indicator of sexuality. Some completely straight women love lesbian porn but have no desire for women in real life, and some lesbians love gay male porn, but have absolutely no desire to be with men in real life. That said, have fun enjoying it - but keep in mind that much mainstream lesbian porn is not an accurate depiction of real lesbian sex. You'll need to look for authentic, feminist, queer woman produced porn for that.

    And sorry for posting so much on this thread - I hope I'm not crowding out women's voices that might be more helpful. I was just really moved by your story.
     
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    I still haven't actually masterbated aged 23 and I never thought to when I believed I was straight. Nowadays I do fantasise and get those feelings but I still don't feel the need to physically act on them, perhaps out of shame and because it generally seems a bit... Gross haha. Although I will say I can fantasise about sleeping with men and probably would enjoy it to an extent but those fantasies are never as mind blowing and instinctive as the ones I have about women. The desire is purely physical and so the feelings just kind of stay... down there. Which is why I still wouldn't consider myself bisexual - it's a thing, but it's not the thing, if you get what I mean.

    [P.S Qbear, your replies in these threads are always interesting and - to my mind - helpful, and it's great that you're considerate enough to think about your place in the discussion).
     
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    thank you everyone for your insight!!

    xxCHAOTIC I can TOTALLY relate to the way your mother treated you....I recall being told by my mother when I was in middle school that she and my dad would basically disown me or my sibling if we ever came out, because in her mind and the church's mind, being gay is a choice, a very sinful and bad "abomination" choice.

    Also, when I dressed like a tomboy, my dad would say things, in front of me, to my mom like "we can't let her dress like this" and "are you letting her dress like this??" as if he were digusted. My mom would always hush him by saying "it's a phase. just let it pass." My mom was ultra feminine and incredibly beautiful, and while I too am pretty, I look very very different from her, so in a way I was rebelling her femininity out of self consciousness and refused to, for example, own anything with the color pink or purple haha

    I eventually dressed more feminine when I got older, started a new school and wanted to fit in, believing I had overcome the tomboy "phase." This happened around the same time I had my first sexual experiences....with my best friend. She and I chalked it up to being horny because we were just starting to hit puberty and thought it was a "safe" and "sinless" way to explore our newfound sexual urges that we otherwise didn't know what to do with. I suppressed this memory for a loooong time. Literally forgot it even happened until recently.

    So, QBear, I have been with a woman, and my vague memories of it are very positive, and I really want to know what it'd be like as an adult....but I just don't understand how I could've hooked up with my girl friend several times and then *poof* forget it ever happened for 15+ yrs and not even look at in a different light until now??

    How can someone suppress something so much???

    This is why I'm so confused...does it really mean something? Or am I overthinking?
     
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    I've also been looking back at my marriage lately, realizing the constant, very conscious thoughts I had of "I can't believe this is my life" (husband, house, dog, career, etc) I felt it just didn't fit me, at least at such a young age....I'm not sure if I had these thoughts because I was unhappy or just shocked my life was what it was at my age.

    When my marriage ended, and before learning my ex was gay, I kept having these intense feelings that it's just never ever going to work out for me when it comes to men. I don't get them, and they definitely don't get me. I began doubting a man could ever really truly make me happy, and if they could, how much compromising of myself was I going to have to do to make that happen?

    This is why and when I started thinking "when I move, maybe I'll just give it go with women. I've always been a little curious anyway." But the idea of being with a woman is so so foreign to me that it's incredibly hard to even fantasize about.....or is it?:bang:
     
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    Those all might be signs that you might be happier with a woman.
    But, to be fair, the sense of unreality and of not being understood by men could have also been caused by being married to a closeted gay man. Still, the thought that maybe I'll try women now seems indicative of at least some degree of bisexuality.

    Was your ex-husband your first (and only) serious relationship with a man?

    ---------- Post added 3rd Sep 2015 at 02:21 PM ----------

    Also, I just want to say that I really feel you right now. The frustration and confusion must be terrible. Hug. Hang in there. :slight_smile:
     
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    My mother said all the same things. My dad is supportive. Clumsy! But he's a doofus. That's just my dad. My mom was the one that would go through my closet and throw out clothes she didn't approve of. Police my friend's sexualities. Basically constantly remind me that being a lesbian was horrible.

    And hilariously, I went through the same kind of transformation. I went from Tom Boy Mall Goth to... Well. Much more elegant and feminine, but never lost the personality. I'm still the crude, loud, rambunctious tomboy I always was. Just now i wear a dress and makeup other than looking like a raccoon. Eventually I stopped trying to rebel against the princess my mother wanted me to be and found my own identity than "the opposite of my mother who I hate."

    Now I'm at the point where I can say with certainty "yes I'm a lesbian" but kinda like you, the thought of actually. Being. A lesbian. With other lesbians. Honestly kinda terrifies me. I shied away from it so violently for so long I don't know if I'll ever be able to, but dammit I want to try.

    And also, on a TMI note, I'm 24 and never had any desire to masturbate either. I just could never get in the mindset. I was never comfortable doing that to myself. I have to wonder if that wasn't because I was subconsciously afraid of pleasuring a woman, even if that woman was me.
     
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    Thanks so much QBear:slight_smile: I sincerely appreciate all your insight and willingness to help me work through my confusion.

    I think you're right on all counts. My ex was my second serious relationship with a man, but my first one was basically a joke....we were young, in college, I was career-driven and smart while he was a drug-peddling loser I stayed with for far too long basically out of attachment due to my mom's death. In hindsight, my first ex was much more loving and in-tune to me than my ex husband ever was, but I still wasn't happy because I knew he wasn't right for me in many, many ways.

    I guess what I'm saying is, it's hard to assess whether being with a woman is a better option for me given my experiences with men. I will note that, I've been dating a guy as I've been questioning my sexuality....I like him, I'm attracted to him, we get along, share the same interests, etc etc. But alas, I'm about to move and I know he's not right for me, which is probably why my desire to experiment with women hasn't gone away despite his presence in my life. There have been a few times recently I even caught myself wishing he was a woman when we were having sex, but I chalked it up to all the lesbian porn I've been watching haha

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    We sound sooooo much alike! I never lost the crude, rough-around-the-edges tomboy personality either, but I eventually stopped rebelling against my mom and found a balance that suits me.

    While I'm not even close to concluding I'm a lesbian or any other label for that matter, I can relate to feeling terrified of "actually being a lesbian. with other lesbians" wholeheartedly, too. I just don't understand yet what that fear is really rooted in.

    As for the masturbating, when you said "I have to wonder if that wasn't because I was subconsciously afraid of pleasuring a woman, even if that woman was me"....I had never thought of it that way, thank you for that insight. I'm a little older than you, but I think QBear is right about what he said earlier about women hitting their sexual peaks around 30. I've definitely noticed a spike lately, and I find it interesting how my desire for women has coincided....
     
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    You sound like me in a few years. I even just left a longterm relationship with a man (four and a half years) and had only seen men prior to him! And all of the doubts that came with that. I see you put yourself at a Kinsey 2, I put myself as more like a 4.999. Just because I don't regret the time I spent with my ex boyfriends (well. The two I'm still friends with.) and I cared about them just... Not... Quite... All the way there.