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Disparity between sexual and romantic feelings? I'm so confused!

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  1. Gomez

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    Hello all. :slight_smile: I feel like I should probably introduce myself, but I just couldn't wait. I'm so tired of wrestling with this question... I'm an almost 24 year old woman, who has variously identified as bisexual, queer, homoflexible, 'mostly' heterosexual, not-straight, etc. since I was twelve. But I feel like nothing quite fits, my sexual and romantic desires are all tangled up in knots... I will try to explain. (trigger warning for some sexual abuse content)

    When I was little, my first sort of "playing doctor" experience was with another girl. That's probably not relevant but there you go.

    I also had some experiences where I was sexually abused by men. So I unfortunately had a bad introduction to sexuality, and I was masturbating way earlier than most kids do. (Sorry if that's TMI, I just really need to put that out here for clarity...) Despite the abuse, I usually thought about women... about breasts, female genitals, lesbian sex in general. I do not know if this was from genuine desire for women or if that's just what I was most familiar with, being a girl. I would sneak peeks at the posters on my male relatives' walls - bikini clad swimsuit models, that kind of thing.

    As a teenager and adult, I read erotica and watched porn... I've heard you shouldn't use this as a gauge, and also that you SHOULD, so here's my confusion:

    When it's a straight couple, it's almost always connected to the abuse I suffered, like guilty fantasies involving that. :frowning2: If it's gay porn, even though I feel a bit like I'm fetishizing gay/bi men (I'm sorry guys....) it's a definite turn-on. It's great because it feels more equal, even if it's kinky or something. With lesbian porn, it's just whatever I think would feel good... two girls making out or having sex in a more or less vanilla way... I enjoy watching a woman orgasm. But I hardly ever picture "just women" when I masturbate anymore.

    As far as my personal adult experience goes, I have only been with men sexually (three times). Those experiences were pretty lackluster. I enjoyed their touch well enough but didn't feel a particular urge to touch them? (I did lol, because I wasn't gonna be rude, but there was no "I WANT TO TOUCH ALL OF THIS!") Some sparks but never like "dang I gotta go do that again!" I found myself wishing they were softer, had feminine curves... I've kissed a girl but nothing further, and there weren't a lot of sparks there either... I don't know if it's 'cause she was a girl, or because that particular girl that didn't do it for me.

    Romantically speaking, I don't know if I've ever been in love, but I develop crushes on women - the kind of "knock your socks off" infatuation where you think about her all the time, want to spend time with her, hold her, spend your whole life with her. The thought of dating a woman and coming home to her every night fills me with joy, but I don't know if there's anything sexual there. I mean the thought of going to bed with a woman is vaguely nice, a little intimidating, but it doesn't make my bits tingle. I see lesbian couples having dinner or dancing or getting married and it hurts because I want that so badly.

    When guys ask me out or I go on dates with them... it's not the same. At first I thought I was just dating the wrong guys. But even if he's perfectly nice and respectful, good-looking, and we have everything in common, I NEVER want to go on a second date! I usually never want to go on a first! The thought of marrying a man just makes my brain go "?¿¿?¿??NOPE". I don't like cuddling with men or doing romantic "couple-y" things like holding hands or hugging in a more than friendly way. I love the men in my life platonically but the thought of being IN LOVE with them is foreign. Which makes no sense because I know my body is turned on by men. Why else would I enjoy gay porn so much?

    tl;dr I am very confused. I have considered the possibility that I'm maybe a homoromantic bisexual, but some people say that affectional orientation doesn't exist... I worry that I'm a "straight girl" who falls in love with women and will never have a satisfying relationship.

    Can anyone give me some advice?
     
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    Meant to add: When I like a girl, I get giddy, jealous, despondent, butterflies, etc. over her, but when I'm supposedly 'dating' a guy I feel no attachment to him whatsoever, despite being attracted to the male figure... ack, I just don't know.

    Sorry for the huge wall of text up there.
     
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    Hi, and welcome to EC.

    Your situation is more complicated than the average person-questioning-her-sexuality because of the history of childhood sexual abuse.

    While abuse doesn't alter the fundamental hardwired sexual orientation, it does, in most people, create a tremendous amount of confusion, most of which exists below consciousness. This manifests pretty much exactly in the sort of confusion and difficulty making a clear determination where your attractions lie... exactly as you describe.

    It also complicates many other aspects of intimate connection and relationship, creating difficulties in emotional intimacy, physical intimacy, and other ways. But... it is also a very, very solvable problem.

    And you're correct that, at least to my knowledge, there's zero credible evidence (in 40 years of study of sexual orientation by professionals in the field, in thousands of studies) to support the idea of a separation between romantic and sexual orientation.

    So there's no clear and easy answer, right now, to the question of sexual orientation. My best recommendation is to consider going into therapy. In doing so, it will be important to work with a therapist with extensive experience and specialty training in sexual abuse, as it is a subspecialty and a generalist therapist will most likely not have the skills to adequately help you.

    I think if you take this step, it will help address the underlying issues (that may not even be in your conscious awareness) and, in turn, also make it easier to get a clear picture of where your orientation lies.

    In the meantime, talking, as you've started doing, about what you're feeling will begin the process of getting the feelings out, and that is a great first step in better understanding yourself.
     
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    Thank you so much for your response, Chip. I really appreciate it. :slight_smile:

    I've known for a long time that I probably need professional help to sort this all out... but I don't know if that will ever happen. I mean, I can't even afford regular checkups with a family doctor. I have no idea how I'd afford a therapist. A question for another forum, perhaps.
     
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    Well... one place you could start is a self-help group for abuse survivors. Those exist almost everywhere in the country, so there's probably one in Dallas.

    I will warn you that sometimes those groups can have a bunch of members who are more stuck in being a victim than in actually working through their issues... but they can be worthwhile and certainly worth trying out.

    A second option is to explore what resources may be available at low or no cost. Sometimes there are therapist-led groups or even individual therapy available on a free or close-to-free basis offered by state or local government funded programs.

    And finally, you can start the process by reading some self-help books. "The Courage to Heal" is the classic reference and has a workbook as well as a book to read. A lot of women have used that, and self-help groups, to resolve their issues.

    So I'd look and see what might be available. You might be surprised!
     
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    Thanks again! I never feel like I have unresolved issues about what happened to me until I start trying to examine my sexuality and what I want. I'll follow your very helpful suggestions and see what I can figure out. I don't want this doubt to inhibit me any longer.
     
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    I would also add to the suggestions before to maybe seek out ways to socialise with gay and Bi women. I get the sense from your post that you are not straight, and are interested in women, but are somehow lacking courage to date women. Meeting other women who also are not straight should help building confidence/ courage in that area.
     
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    Thanks for your reply, LooseMoose! It's funny because I have known several gay and bi women but somehow I feel even more isolated around them... they are usually in relationships, and more experienced, and I feel embarrassed to admit my own lack of experience with women.

    There's a gay bar in town and I've gone there a couple times. Perhaps I just need to go more often? Maybe make some friends who will introduce me to their friends? Haha
     
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    I'm thinking back on my past and wondering if the reason my sexual and romantic feelings don't line up (in my head; I get that it's probably caused by some psychological issue and not an actual orientation thing) is because I've repressed my sexual attraction to women?

    I mean when I was very going I used to be able get off to the ladies' underwear section in catalogues (LOL), or the thought of a woman giving a lapdance, but I don't know if I could do that anymore, like my brain's been rewired for men or something. And yet I get all these crushes on women and I think of how beautiful her smile is and how much I want to wrap my arms around her and kiss her, but I don't particularly get like a zing! of arousal at the thought.

    And yet when I watch straight porn or something, I'm much pickier about the woman in the video... there's kind of a body type I prefer, the sounds she makes, etc. And I mostly ignore the dude.

    Don't mind me, I'm just rambling. Trying to get my thoughts sorted out. Arrrgh
     
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    Yes, the whole romantic/sexual orientation difference is a pretty common way of processing the "bargaining" phase of the coming-out process. And it's very common that we repress anything that would point to same-sex attraction as part of the normal denial process.
     
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    Thanks Chip. That's what I thought.

    But I guess I'm conflicted because in that scenario, isn't it usually someone saying their sexual feelings are for the same sex, and their romantic feelings are for the opposite sex, and using 'heteroromantic homosexual' as a bridge? But in my case it's like the opposite. Does that mean instead of gay-in-denial, I'm straight-in-denial?

    I know you can't really answer this and I need to seek therapy, but I'd appreciate any insight you can offer.
     
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    I'm not gonna try to define your sexuality for you, but from what you're writing all i can say is that i think you should try actually dating (and being with) a woman. The fact that you don't get off to lesbian porn doesn't have to do anything with how you would feel actually being with a girl. Hell, even my lesbian friends complain about how lesbian porn is so far away from capturing actual lesbian sex. Most of it is just eye-candy for straight men. Real sex (at least for me) is way more about closeness, touch, intimacy etc rather than just watching someone with a dildo in her vagina. So if you enjoy cuddling, kissing and being close to other women i think you might enjoy it if you find the right one and you allow something more to happen. I dont think you yould be writing it off without trying, only from watching lesbian porn.

    But who knows, i might be wrong! Both sexuality and love are extremely complex things that are hard to wrap your head around, and it's even more complex to try and categorize it. A lot of women develop very strong love-like friendship-bonds with other women, and even like to cuddle etc, in a non-sexual way. Maybe that could be a part of what you feel?(from what you're describing my guess is that it might be more than that, but hey, it's your brain!)

    Anyway, the only real advice i can give you is that i think you should explore and experiment more before trying to define yourself. But ofc don't do anything youd don't feel comfortable with!
     
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    Thanks for your insight, papriques! I think you're right. Part of the problem is I've never been intimate with someone I actually cared about (which sounds awful when I say it like that, but I mean romantically). Even when one of those was my boyfriend, the love just wasn't there on my end. I still feel guilty about that! Which is why I broke up with him in the first place. It didn't feel fair...

    I'm making an effort now to put myself out there, and I think when I start dating I'm just gonna force myself not to hop into bed with anyone. (Maybe I'm just not wired for casual sex?)

    As for your comment on super close lady friendships, I've heard that before and wondered if it's applicable to my situation, but I don't think it is. I mean, I love my best friend more than most anyone and we've gotten a few joking ~lesbians!~ comments from people because we're affectionate, but even though we're super close I don't feel the same way about her as I did a random woman I saw twice and who still gives me butterflies when I think of her three years later.