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Questioning, but Confused

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  1. mrmarioluigi

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    Hi everyone!

    I don't know how to start this, but I feel like I really need some help regarding figuring out my sexuality. It really is hard for me.

    So, I've thought that I was straight for a long time. Up until I was 17, that is. Until that point, I had three straight crushes, I think. Then I was starting my senior year in high school, and I had a crush on a boy in several of my classes. I knew who he was: he was friends with my sister, and I've had few classes with him since my sophomore year in high school. Now, this was so shocking to me, as I hated him. He would, along with his friend, tease me. Like, they would make silly gay jokes at me: ask me if I was gay, or if I loved them. The boy I had a crush on even went as far as to show me a (ahem, excuse me) a p-e-n-i-s pic in my junior year trig class. This stuff really annoyed me, but in my senior year, we both had a pre-calc class. His friend wasn't in our pre-calc class, so he wasn't annoying when his friend was around. Like, peer pressure or something. He started being all nice to me, which was weird at first, but I liked this side of him. I remember him saying to me "Your butt looks good in those jeans." I was thinking, WOAH, what? That's when I thought if he liked me, and it made me like him more. I don't fully remember what made me have a crush on him now, but I remember trying to talk to him and checking him out. All the while, I was freaking out at what I was doing. Yet, it didn't feel weird. I don't know.

    I know that I'm talking a lot about this guy from high school, like he means something to me. I'm not so sure anymore, but I do wonder what "could of happened," you know? Like, I'll rarely miss him.

    Anyway, after that, I was in college. Sure enough, I was questioning who I was. I felt like I wasn't straight anymore, but bisexual. I have watched both kinds of "videos," if you know what I mean. It feels inappropriate saying the actual words on a public forum. But the same-ones I find more interesting than the opposite-ones.

    Now, I find myself looking at guys a lot more than girls. It could be anywhere, and I'll catch myself glancing at some guy I find "cute." It's like I hate myself for it. Sometimes, I'll see some guy who is attractive and "wish" I was in a relationship with him. *Sigh*. I rarely find myself glancing at women. If I do, I don't punish myself for it. In terms of relationships, I will admit that I have looked at gay couples and gotten jealous. Very. This is so bewildering to me. I have no idea why I felt that way. Then I look at straight couples, and I either get a little annoyed by them, or don't care. I feel like a relationship with a guy would be dangerous and exciting, but right? I feel like a relationship with a woman would be boring, or dispassionate. I generally feel like I want a relationship with a man more than a woman, but it's like I'm scared to (my social anxiety doesn't help, but that's another story). What is that all about?

    I've even gone so far as to think about how I felt as a child. It scares me remembering that I have looked at few girls as "pretty" and some boys as... "interesting?" I remember calling girls "pretty" if I liked them, but never thought anything of boys. I guess I was too little, or unaware. Now that I look back, there were some boys that caught my interest. It's so hard to explain, it's frustrating me now. I would say this was probably in elementary and junior high school. Maybe I'm my first three years of high school too? I don't know.

    I remember recently reading something about what to ask yourself if you are unsure of your sexuality. I remember one of the questions was something like, "Who do you find yourself looking at more?" It sounded so general, but I find myself looking at guys more. What I felt after was shame, frustration, and maybe guilt. Why did I react this way, I don't know.

    That is my story. It's probably not all of it, just what I felt (and remembered :astonished: ) in the moment. I'm sorry if it's like an essay, but I feel like I needed to say this!
     
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    I can't tell exactly, but you're either bi leaning towards gay, or gay. Ultimately, the only person who can know for sure is you. I think your main problem is self acceptance. It sounds like you are having some trouble coming to terms with who you are.

    It sounds to me like you're definitely attracted to guys. And that's okay. Let yourself be.

    I also struggled a lot with my sexuality. I thought that I didn't know who I was, when really, deep down, I did, I just didn't want to accept it. I didn't want to be bi. But I knew that I was. I suffered a lot because of this. Honestly, I don't know how I overcame it. It took a lot of time and patience, but I was finally able to accept myself for who I was.

    So you may be confused right now, but hang in there. Give yourself time. Be patient with yourself. You'll figure out who you really are and you'll be able to accept yourself in time.
     
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    The only one who can say who you are is you. Reading your story I would say that, yes, you are attracted to boys and that's fine. If you fine boys attractive and women as well (but in a lower degree or vice versa) you can identify as bisexual and that would be ok. But as I said, the only one who can know who you really are is you. :slight_smile:
     
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    Well you don't sound 100% straight! But it sounds like your fears are preventing you from pursuing this, even in your mind. Apparently even if you are very LGBT friendly, it can still feel different when it's YOU. Especially if some teasing early on has left its mark.

    How old are you, and have you had any relationship or experience with men or women?

    You've done the 'porn test' as I've seen recommended, and that also points to you being not straight. To me it sounds like some supportive, friendly counselling could help you to understand and accept yourself. It has certainly worked for friends of mine.

    If this isn't an option then how about working to increase your comfort levels: Can you start to refer to yourself as 'not-straight' in your head, if 'gay/bi' seems too much to contend with at this stage? Have you got LGBT friends you could spend more time with, maybe even talk to? What about watching some nice, happy (non porn!) LGBT films and drama? I can recommend some if you like.
     
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    Hi everyone!

    I want to say that your answers are so wonderful and caring! They help a lot!

    rhapsodic and yeahyeah, I feel that it could be an issue of self-acceptance. I don't know. I do not feel 100% straight, though. I'm worried if I'm making a big deal out of this, although that's who I am: a worry wart!

    CharacterStudy, I'm 19!(I forgot to put my age on the side) I have not had any relationships with men or women yet. Dating in general seems hard for me, but I want to try it. Ah..
    Anyway, I don't think I can see a counselor yet. I think I'm not sure who I would see. Perhaps you know? I'm a little uncomfortable with the idea at the moment.
    I don't feel too bothered calling myself bisexual, but I'm a little uncomfortable with gay, and I don't feel straight. Still generally uncomfortable with all this. Ah.
    I don't have any LGBT friends, unfortunately! The thing is, I wish I did. I have had a few number of students in classes in my college who mentioned they were gay/lesbian/bisexual/etc. during some discussion at some point. Even now, there is a gay and lesbian student in my WGSS class! There are definitely LGBT students in my college. I'm not sure what to do with that! :slight_smile:
    I have considered watching LGBT films before! I just don't know how to watch them without my parents finding out. I avoid Netflix because, you know, they're on it a lot. I'm sure they would be like, "Why are you watching these movies?" Anyway, I would like it if you could recommend some! Maybe where I could watch them as well? :slight_smile:
     
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    So you're at uni? Uni is probably one of the best places to explore these things. There will almost certainly be an LGBT group/society, in a big place maybe even with subgroups or sports teams etc... You could go along to one of their events, although I can understand that that is quite a step.

    Out of the students who mentioned they were LGBT, did any of them seem nice - i.e. could you just say hi, chat about the classes? You don't exactly have to walk over and say 'Hi, thank I might be gay/bi!', just go over and say you recognise them from class, and maybe ask their opinion on some recent coursework. Just get friendly like you would with anyone else (and I don't mean in a sexual way!!).

    Have you got a laptop of your own? Can you go onto iTunes or Amazon and download a film without them seeing/knowing? LGBT society might also do film nights, or have a look at small arthouse and independent cinemas which are more likely to screen LGBT films, or have a LGBT film festival.

    If you can watch films on your laptop then some suggestions are:
    - Lilting (British) Arthouse, lovely.
    - Weekend (British)
    - The Sex of Angels (Spanish, far less dodgy than it sounds!)
    - Shelter (2007 US film about surfers, very upbeat)
    - London Spy (British drama series. A bit odd.)
    - Freefall / freierfall (German)
    These are all modern films which are positive about gay relationships, treating them as normal, rather than doom and gloom. Most have won awards.
    And it's always worth looking on youtube for gay films, clips, recommendations, sometimes actual films.
     
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    A lot of what you said in your original post makes a lot of sense, OP. My therapist reminded me once that society generally teaches us how to be a certain way. As children, we're mostly told boys are supposed to find girls pretty, and that's that. We're taught how to be in straight relationships as the "norm." Really, there are so few examples of gay relationships in mainstream culture. As my therapist put it, "[He] know how to successfully have a relationship with a woman and [he is] in no way, shape, or form straight."

    I can relate to finding a lot of guys "interesting" when I was younger. I didn't tie it to anything sexual before high school, but guys always more held my interest in terms of looks. I kind of wish I had connected the dots more when I was younger. It all makes so much sense looking back now.
     
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    Hi CharacterStudy! I finally got around to watching one of the films you recommended! I've had so much work from school this week. Ugh.
    Anyway, I found almost all the films online (except for London Spy and Freirfall)! Funny thing is, most of them I found on Netflix too. I wish I could watch there. Much more convenient...
    I just watched Shelter, and I have to say, I loved it. It was stirring my emotions, something I don't get watching regular romance films. I am scared how I'm feeling right now. Honestly. I laughed and smiled along with Zach and Shaun. I felt Zach's discomfort. A lot. Feels familiar, yet it looked so normal and so nice. I liked it, and it also scared me. Hrm. Hmmmm...

    Well, I'll get around to watching the others! Thanks for the recommendations!

    Hi CameOutSwinging! I totally agree with what you're saying. Being LGBTQ is not "normative" in our society. Everyone assumes everyone is straight. You definitely see it in the media. There's an awful lot of straight romances, although I have seen more shows in recent years adopt more gay relationships.
     
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    I'm glad you enjoyed Shelter. I love how it has the subplot of Zach's art school and Cody, and how Jeannie too is, in her own way, trying to find 'shelter', it makes it feel a bit richer than some gay plots which are only about the issues. It's such a feel good film. There's a definite lack of feel good LGBT romance where people can see their own lives and dreams reflected. (I'm working on that :slight_smile:)

    What scared you?

    I'm hopeful that things will improve for the next generation- certainly in the playground my kids and their friends (4-8) talk about how when they grow up they will marry a 'man or a woman'.
     
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    Yeah that's why I liked Shelter. There's more to it than just romance. There's other life situations. So it kind of feels even more normal with Zach struggling to get into school, or, like you said, Jeanne trying to find a good job and settle down!

    So, there's two parts of my answer to your question: What scared me?
    So, Part I would be yesterday, right after I watched the movie. I saw Zach and Shaun in their relationship, and at the end of the movie, I thought to myself, "That looks scary." I'm thinking that, for me at that moment, picturing me in a relationship with another man scared the c-r-a-p out of me. Like, it looked hard for me. Like, I couldn't do it. It didn't feel good. It didn't feel right. Am I making sense? :slight_smile:
    So, Part II would be yesterday (from 8PM?) to today. My sister was talking about how her friends "tricked" her into making some sort of dating profile or something. It was some dating thing. Anyway, she was texting (I guess on some app?) with this guy who asked her on a date. All I could think of from that moment until today (It's 8:36PM right now, so about 12 hours?) was being in a relationship with another guy. I pictured a kind of relationship Zach and Shaun had. Like, sort of secret, but full of fun and understanding. And love. And both of us a little confused. This time around, I'm still scared, but I'm... longing? Is that the right word? Longing for a gay relationship? I don't know. When I think about a gay relationship (like right now) I get scared and a little excited/happy. Thinking about bring in a straight relationship doesn't make me really feel like that. Am I making some sense? It's hard expressing these kinds of feelings right now. It feels emotionally hard. I'm feeling a bit mad for some reason. And sad. Ah.

    Well! I am going to do something happy. Have to cheer up a bit! To much brooding in one day. :slight_smile:
     
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    It's really interesting that your feelings changed, and so quickly. Do you think that initial 'no!' was a kind of fear reflex? Though I should point out that you don't have to adopt your boyfriend's nephew in your first relationship :slight_smile:

    It sounds like the second stage made you happier, but I guess it's still going to be tough. Friends going through the same have told me you've got to mourn the kind of life you thought you'd have, but you know, you have a happy, loving future to look forward to, just not in the wrapping you always assumed. And at some point you'll realise that, and eventually be happy about it. I just wish I could whizz you through the middle bit.

    So the other really nice film on my list is The Sex of Angels, also very upbeat.

    You will eventually realise that there is absolutely nothing wrong about being gay. It's part of the natural range of orientations. There are other animals that exhibit same-sex orientation. It is normal. Less common, but absolutely normal.
     
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    Maybe it was initially a fear reflex. I never felt a desire to be in a gay relationship as I did. It was a new feeling I guess. So maybe that's why it was scary? It feels wrong to tell someone that I'm figuring out my sexuality. Like, if I were to meet someone. I feel, though, that if I had formed a relationship with another man, then maybe it would offer clarity? Like, I would know.

    What is weird is that I still feel like it's wrong, but I now feel a sense of right. And I keep switching between the two. It's wrong. No, it's right. No, it's wrong.

    I'm looking forward to watching The Sex of Angels and the other films.
     
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    Hopefully one day soon the sense of right will be permanent.

    Not sure what you mean in your first paragraph - why does it feel wrong to tell someone you're figuring it out? You mean to start a romantic relationship whilst you are still sorting things out in your head would be weird. Is this a chicken and egg question? Getting into a relationship will give you clarity, but until you have clarity you couldn't (or shouldn't?) get into a relationship.

    Basically you cannot change the fact that you appear to be attracted to men. The only thing to do is try to come to terms with it as quickly as you can so you can take your life forward and be happy. Easier said than done of course, and it's completely normal and expected to freak out, worry, backtrack etc. Thanks to societal expectations, religious issues etc. I doubt anyone on here immediately went 'woo hoo' on thinking they might be gay and went out to find the nearest glitter ball. It's a massive part of your identity that is not quite what you expected... maybe a bit like people who discover they are adopted. It takes time.
     
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    I definitely understand this. I had crushes on a few guys till I was 17. I can probably identify 2-3 female crushes before that in retrospect. At 17 I started questioning, had a couple of girl crushes, kissed a girl at a party, got really into lesbian stuff. I'll be 18 soon. For a while last year I was happy with the term biseuxal, but as soon as I accepted that I've just become obsessed with girls, I'm just not interested in good-looking guys like I used to be. I mean, I can be like "yeah they're good-looking" buuuut there's probably a girl I'd rather be with. I get insanely jealous of lesbian couples, but at the same time I love them, they comfort me. And yeah a relationship with a guy seems bland and somehow I can't envision it any more like I used to. So now I feel like my attraction is too uneven and I should probably call myself a lesbian. But I'm always unsure because I feel like I should never have had these guy crushes.

    Anyway, I also get how you wonder about how things could have been with that gy at school. At about 14-15 I had this friend who was rumoured to be gay who always used to play-flirt with me and I enjoyed it but let it be a game at the time. We lost contact. I had a dream about meeting her again on a train last night hahaha.

    If this persists till I'm 19 I'll probably end up calling myself gay. Buuuut, I'm also wanting to just let go of labels. Free yourself from labels man!! Lol I really have no advice, just empathy.
     
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    I've just discovered some more nice LGBT-themed films, or rather, films that happen to have LGBT characters, as I know you enjoyed Shelter.

    Marco Berger is an Argentinian director, and I've watched his film Hawaii (2013) which you can (in the UK at least) rent on YouTube, which avoids your parent issues. It's very slow moving, subtle, and a bit arty, but the theme is power dynamics rather than coming out etc. He also has 2 other films, one of which is called Plan B and which I plan to watch soon. The latter is a romantic comedy.

    Hope you like them and that you are feeling gradually more comfortable with your identity.
     
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    Hi SHACH, sorry I didn't respond earlier. I've been drowning in school work these past two weeks. Agh. Anyway, we both seem to have very similar experiences! The only thing is is that you are dabbling in this other side. I'm not, but we both seem to be leaning toward the fact that the opposite sex just does not look appealing anymore. I totally agree with what you said about how some man looks good but there's a woman that you could be with. I feel that way a lot. I've seen many pretty girls in college. I will even say to myself, "Wow she's such a pretty woman," but that's it. If I talk with someone who is "pretty," they're just a friend. "Straight" relationships seem a bit bland to me, and quite annoying. For instance, last week I saw a straight couple kissing on a bench outside one of the buildings of my college. It was "meh." Kind of bothered me for some reason.

    CollegeStudy, thank you for recommending more movies! I haven't been able to watch any more, nor come onto here for awhile, and I'm sorry about that. I hate not answering people for too long. So this is weird posting this, but it feels relevant to finding my identity. Okay. So I go on this site called Experience Project where you can join groups like "I’m shy" or "I Think I'm Bisexual" and you can post your own personal experiences in the group. There's a main page where you can see different kinds of experiences from people. Anyway, I was in a group "I Like Minecraft" and someone messaged me if he could play MC with me. I looked through his profile and he was in some of the same groups as me. One of them he was in was "I'm gay." We both saw our profile pics on EP, and I'm not going to lie. I found him very attractive. We've been voice chatting on Skype and playing MC for about a week now, and I know the dangers of talking with people online. But, when I talk with him, I enjoy it. What's worse is that we've talked about more sensitive things, and when he messages me, I get all nervous and excited. I'm not letting these feelings come over me because unless I actually meet in person with him (he claims to be in Long Island, and I'm in NYC) then I remain skeptical. The internet thing aside, I think I'm having a crush in the making, only I'm refusing to accept it because I don't know this person... because there's days where I think about him and smile, and there's days where he is just another person I met online. This is so weird, and I feel stupid saying this. I notice myself think about him, or picture bring in a relationship with him. It feels so silly given the circumstances, but I wish it could happen. Now, ever since then, I feel like I am gay, and I've had moments where it felt good and it felt "meh." Soooo, what do you make of this? Dx
     
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    if you don't want to label yourself as gay, you can say that you are bi just to get rid of confusion. but you don't have to label yourself, not at all! we have the similar stories and same age as I see. I am sort of in love with a girl for almost seven months and it helped me notice some things about myself that I already should have known. don't you ever hate yourself. sounds like you are trying to suppress yourself. at some point (I hope), we will be like "okay I tend to go this way, I am going to be happier this way, so this is the way that I should label myself" even if it is not really necessary.

    I cannot think of being with a male and when I look back I see that I've never wanted to be in a sexual or emotional relationship with them even if I had really strong emotions for some of them. I feel like what fits me is a homosexual relationship. maybe it is going to change, maybe my "gayness" gonna get stronger, I don't know. I told these because I think we are in the similar situation.

    again, never hate yourself, don't be ashamed. you are not broken, you are not wrong.
     
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    Thank you. I think we are in the same boat. For me, being in a relationship with another guy sounds nicer than being in a relationship with a woman. Maybe one day I'll realize that what I'm feeling is valid, and go in that direction. Right now, though, I'm stuck, and it bothers me. It's like I know, and yet, it's not real? Kind of hard to explain.
     
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    even though you cannot really explain, trust me I understand what you are going through. whenever you get overhelmed, do not hesitate to share or ask, I will try to help you as much as I possibly can. omfg confusing emotions suck.
     
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    That's okay. I'm drowning a little too haha. I'm glad you agree with what I said. I like coming across people with these similar experiences because I just think I'm weird otherwise haha.