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trouble being a top in intimate situations with men.

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  1. CowboyNate89

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    ok ive been struggling with this for 10 years or so. I like women, they turn me on, i have no trouble in bed with them. i like some men and gay/bi men like me. the problem is i cannot get it up with a man, also kissing men does absolutely nothing for me, on the flip side kissing women turns me on. i have no trouble doing a threesome one girl 2 guys or 1 girl 3 guys, and so forth. but sometimes i'll flirt with a gay guy and it used to end in the bed room, a couple times went pretty bad, eg. having them force themselves on me. of couse every situation i felt i deserved it since i allowed it to go that far. so i think because of those situations, while i really want to be intimate and open to both sexes, when it comes down to it, intercourse scares me. idk why sleeping with men has no effect emotionally or physically with me when its 1v1. any ideas?

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    Honestly, it doesn't sound like you're bisexual... What makes you think you are?
     
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    because ive been with guys in the past.

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    also what if i want to be bisexual? maybe thats it and i physically cant.
     
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    I think that you could probably benefit from some councilling, if others choose to force themselves on you that is rape irregardless of what your actions were. Do not blame yourself nothing you can do or did gives anyone permission to force themselves on you against your will. I think that probably your issues you are facing stem from these incidents. Seek some help to deal with the emotional issues involved with being raped and I think everything else will sort itself out.
     
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    Hey CowboyNate89,

    That's pretty confusing. Why would you WANT to be Bisexual if you aren't?

    You can certainly identify with whatever sexual preference you wish. That's not an issue. But if you aren't romantically and physically attracted to men as well as women, why would even want to identify as bisexual?

    Just asking..:slight_smile:
     
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    I appreciate the advice, counseling is a waste of time, i don't need people condescending me or feeling sorry for me.
    I survived war without a single emotional scar, yet they forced counseling on me cause regular people think war is traumatizing.
    If i cant find a way to deal with things on my own, then they're not worth dealing with.
    i beat alcohol addiction on my own, cigarette addiction on my own, drug addiction on my own. counselors only ever said addiction was a disease that i couldn't beat, they were wrong, addiction is always a choice.
    plus adding my hidden past to my medical history, is not gonna happen.

    thanks again though, last October i took a vow of abstinence, so far i have not broken it, come close a time or two... but i think at my age its not a bad idea.

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    its an acceptance thing i guess, i find myself physically attracted some men, and homophobic people are dumb. i actually hate homophobic people and im surrounded by them everywhere i go, the sad thing is they're almost all in the closet. i want to be neutral, and bisexual is neutral. just like no religion or no politics.
     
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    Hey CowboyNate89,

    Why did you ask for input if you don't want it?

    No offense, but all of us could use outside input from time to time.

    OBTW, I survived tours in three wars without a scratch, but not without some emotional scars. But, then, I'm only human.

    Also, Bisexuality is NOT neutral. There are almost no Bisexuals that I know of that are "50-50", that's a primarily a biphobic myth.
     
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    i actually prefer sexual situations with multiple people at the same time, monogamy is an ancient construct, monogamous people generally tend to feel ownership, that's what jealousy is. i never get jealous, cause we're all adults, not slave owners. each and everyone should have a choice. cheating doesn't exist in trifectas and so forth.

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    i asked cause i thought maybe it was something wrong with me.

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    maybe im just bi-curious... idk.
     
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    O.K. So preferring multiple sex partners isn't all that common, but also not unusual. No one on this site would judge you for that.

    Do you want to discuss why you think you might be bisexual or bi curious even though you say you can't 'perform' with another guy?

    On a side note, may I ask which war you were in?
     
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    ok lets change the track a little bit.

    I want to do two things in my life that require me to be partly bisexual.
    1. professional male escort.
    2. professional male dancer.

    for the first one the clientele is generally male, how can a straight guy who is open, perform homosexual activities if he is unable to be aroused by it?
    the second one is easy.

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    ok so the guy that molested me when i was 16, was a situation set up by my parents at the time, a few years later he went to prison, my parents claimed they had no idea. that was the first incident beyond my control, even though with him it was every weekend for months. im past all that.
    I experimented in high school, mostly was this guy and girl who invited me into their love life, that was fun.
    i tried to sleep with an army ranger, who was bi-curious... that was weird, but i sorta initiated that one, no scars there.
    was in a relationship with a meth-head who got me hooked, actually enjoyed sleeping with men while on that stuff, but i dropped it when i realized i had nothing left, rebuilt my life, never going back to drugs to lower my inhibitions.
    took me 3 years to get over the side-effects, were a couple times i sought out men for one-night stands, all of them ended in rape as wonderingabout put it.
    i have always had rocky relationships with women.
    when i get drunk i hit on both sexes, indiscriminately.
     
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    Whoa! Huge change of subject, CowboyNate89!

    If you want to be a male dancer, that doesn't necessarily require you to be bi, although, depending on the venue and whether or not you offer 'other' services, you would potentially need to be bi or gay.

    In terms of being an escort, it's similar in that you can prenegotiate what you will and won't do. Some older gay guys just want company...

    But, yeah, I see where you're going with this so far.

    However, sexuality isn't a choice. You said you are attracted to some guys, but you also said you can't perform one-on-one. So can you describe your attraction to guys versus the women that you are attracted to (and with whom youcan perform)?
     
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    i was in iraq with the 1st cav OIF
     
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    Cool, I was in Croatia/Bosnia during the Balkans War (not our war, but I was still there), Iraq, and Afghanistan.

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    Dude,

    I'm clearly no expert, but I think you should seek out some counseling. Yeah, yeah, I know you're too proud. You want to resolve your own issues. Outside interference from quacks is counterproductive. Been there. Got much the same thought process. However, it seems from what little you wrote that you are most likely a straight guy with some serious issues from same-sex molestation as a youth, which you haven't yet resolved. And I'm speaking as a (former Army) real Bi guy, myself.

    What can it hurt you to get a little professional, civilian counseling? I urge you to give it a shot. Maybe Iraq didn't scar you, but you clearly went to Iraq with some deep scars.

    I feel for you, man.
     
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    well lets jump down down the rabbit hole with this.
    i am sexually attracted to big girls, big breasts pretty faces. but im am also visually disturbed by this, the general laziness ive encountered among them disgusts me. i am physically fit, and i have ocd with being healthy and productive.
    there are men who have gorgeous eyes, sexy bods, beautiful skin and faces, they're visually perfect... a lot of them swing both ways, but putting my thing in an anus disgusts me, both male and female. even though i might like doing oral on a man i have a gag reflex. i heard there are ways to train past that, i never cared much to give it much thought.
     
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    CowboyNate89,

    You still sound straight to me, but traumatized.

    If you really want to have limited three-ways, there are people that will do that.

    As far as anal sex goes, if you don't want to Bottom, don't. There are even gay guys that can't stand anal sex and more that will only Top. But I don't think that that is really an issue in our discussion.

    If you've been raped by men multiple times now, as you describe, that is the issue. You do understand that rape is about violence and control, NOT sex, right?

    OBTW finding someone (same-sex or opposite-sex) aesthetically attractive (pleasing to the eye) is NOT the same thing as having a sexual attraction to them. Even gay guys find some women to be aesthetically beautiful, but they have no desire to have sex with them.
     
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    last but not least, i was brainwashed in the mainstream christian religion that all things good are bad. ive since got past every lie i was taught, but the one that remains the hardest to break is the anti-sexual-pleasure thing that Christianity pushes. Ive since learned through extensive research, most of the bible is a lie, and many of the christian teachings make no logical sense, but that stuff was ingrained in me from a really young age. its really quite a challenge to shut those voice off.

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    ok so counseling, how would you suggest i go about finding a good counselor, not the VA, their counselors are morons.
     
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    The biblical brainwashing stuff is pure crap. Maybe check out these threads here on EC:

    http://emptyclosets.com/forum/sexual-romantic-orientation/49316-my-advice-about-being-lgbt-christian-very-long.html

    http://emptyclosets.com/forum/sexual-romantic-orientation/65350-bible-tells-me-being-gay-wrong-now-i-just-dont-know-what-do.html#post1101418


    For counseling, no, I'm not a fan of the VA, either.

    Two primary possibilities off the top of my head. One would be to find a local LGBTQ center near you. They usually offer counseling services or can recommend counselors.

    Second, post a thread in the Ask the Staff section. If you tell the EC Staff where you are located, they can help you find local counseling services.

    I hope that helps...and I wish you all the best!:slight_smile:
     
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    Awesome! Thank you Quantumreality, I greatly appreciate your help.
    I definitely look into that.
    Have a great night!
     
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    Cool, Dude. Glad if I could provide a little positive input.

    I'll send you a Friend Request. If you accept it, you can post on my Wall anytime you want.

    But don't feel obliged to accept.